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So it's not just Linux that breaks things with updates...

by curt15 10y ago

striking 10y ago
Linux breaks things with updates? Would you like to share an example with the class?
- mjevans 10y ago
  Usually it's a /major/ update. Like going to a whole new version of libc. If it isn't planned out properly you could end up needing to do a re-install (which would be like upgrading from one version of Windows to another; except that generally all of your settings are actually kept as they live in /etc and/or ~/ ). Having said that, I've performed an uncounted greater number of upgrades than I can remember and have only OCCASIONALLY hit this issue, and it was always when I was doing something outside of the distribution recommended set of instructions (more akin to trying to go from WinXP directly to Win10 without any intermediate upgrades).
- daenney 10y ago
  Please don't stoop to the same level as the original comment. You can say or believe all you want but no operating system or *nix distribution is free of bugs and updates are known to have caused regressions on either side. There's plenty examples out there of Linux kernel regressions that have been introduced along the route, there's even a full paper on tracking them. Then there's plenty of examples of things breaking on upgrades in Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/CentOS/Arch, systemd caused some trouble too and so on and so forth, and not just on major boundaries.
  - striking 10y ago
    It was a joke. I'm not "stooping" to anyone's level; that's not a very nice thing to say. I was simply curious why the parent commenter had an axe to grind with Linux. Everything has its bugs.
- thesimpsons1022 10y ago
  it doesn't break things with updates... it just doesn't work at all on the first place. speakers, graphics cards, any accessories routinely stop working for no reason. so glad I got rid of my Ubuntu box and only use Mac and Windows now
- mrighele 10y ago
  While in general it is less problematic, it happens with Linux too. I have a laptop with integrated Intel GPU. Not powerful but good enough to play a few simple games from time to time. After updating from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 most games won't work properly anymore: they run fine for a while but then the display freezes for a few seconds. Most of the time after that is start working again, some other times the game will crash (I am blaming the GPU since sound and games logic continue regularly, and CPU usage is unaffected). I have also a raspberry pi. One day, after a routine update the sound started behaving weirdly, sometimes going faster/slower, some other times burping weird sounds. As with most audio problems in Linux the solution was simply to nuke pulseaudio from the system.

So it's not just Linux that breaks things with updates...

by curt15 10y ago

So it's not just Linux that breaks things with updates...

striking 10y ago

Linux breaks things with updates? Would you like to share an example with the class?

mjevans 10y ago
Usually it's a /major/ update. Like going to a whole new version of libc. If it isn't planned out properly you could end up needing to do a re-install (which would be like upgrading from one version of Windows to another; except that generally all of your settings are actually kept as they live in /etc and/or ~/ ). Having said that, I've performed an uncounted greater number of upgrades than I can remember and have only OCCASIONALLY hit this issue, and it was always when I was doing something outside of the distribution recommended set of instructions (more akin to trying to go from WinXP directly to Win10 without any intermediate upgrades).
daenney 10y ago
Please don't stoop to the same level as the original comment. You can say or believe all you want but no operating system or *nix distribution is free of bugs and updates are known to have caused regressions on either side. There's plenty examples out there of Linux kernel regressions that have been introduced along the route, there's even a full paper on tracking them. Then there's plenty of examples of things breaking on upgrades in Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/CentOS/Arch, systemd caused some trouble too and so on and so forth, and not just on major boundaries.
- striking 10y ago
  It was a joke. I'm not "stooping" to anyone's level; that's not a very nice thing to say. I was simply curious why the parent commenter had an axe to grind with Linux. Everything has its bugs.
thesimpsons1022 10y ago
it doesn't break things with updates... it just doesn't work at all on the first place. speakers, graphics cards, any accessories routinely stop working for no reason. so glad I got rid of my Ubuntu box and only use Mac and Windows now
mrighele 10y ago
While in general it is less problematic, it happens with Linux too. I have a laptop with integrated Intel GPU. Not powerful but good enough to play a few simple games from time to time. After updating from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 most games won't work properly anymore: they run fine for a while but then the display freezes for a few seconds. Most of the time after that is start working again, some other times the game will crash (I am blaming the GPU since sound and games logic continue regularly, and CPU usage is unaffected). I have also a raspberry pi. One day, after a routine update the sound started behaving weirdly, sometimes going faster/slower, some other times burping weird sounds. As with most audio problems in Linux the solution was simply to nuke pulseaudio from the system.