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Funny, even for my own case, I had to use Pacer and pay for access. A fucking racket is what it is.

by goldenkey 10y ago

rayiner 10y ago
Is it a racket for the DMV to charge you fees for title and registration?
- MWil 10y ago
  If a law said they were only legally allowed to charge for the cost of supplying the paper/ink and labor involved yet they charged a flat fee that in the aggregate that was magnitudes larger than what it cost...yes. That's the analogous scenario here. edit: and now I'm confused b/c you're an appellate lawyer... edit2: btw, there's a reasonable scenario where free is the most they could legally charge, in case you were focusing on the fact that a fee is charged at all
- riskable 10y ago
  Is it a "racket"? No. Are the fees "just"? Well, I honestly don't know. It probably varies on a state-by-state basis but here in Florida the title fee is likely outdated and unnecessary considering that it is all handled electronically and the cost to transfer and store such information is likely fractions of a percentage of a penny. The original cost of the title fee stems from what I can only assume is the cost of paying people to file and retrieve such paperwork. I view the registration fee as just another tax. In fact, the state of Florida requires that you pay Florida sales tax for vehicles purchased outside the state (if purchased/registered within a year I think) and it takes that tax as part of the vehicle registration fee. Is the copyright system "just"? No. Hell no. We're so far removed from that point that some people view copyright violation as a form of justice. A lot of that likely stems from the length of terms for copyright and the fact that everything is copyrighted by default. Go back to mandatory registration (with a registration fee =) and somewhere between 5-25 year terms depending on the work and that'd be a good start towards copyright justice.
  - harryh 10y ago
    The taxes you are paying for out of state purchases in Florida are just basic sales taxes like you pay on almost anything else.
  - pc86 10y ago
    > the state of Florida requires that you pay Florida sales tax for vehicles purchased outside the state (if purchased/registered within a year I think) I believe most states require this (if you purchased the vehicle less than one prior to the date you are registering it in the new state).
toomuchtodo 10y ago
Please make sure to use RECAP when you use Pacer: the docs you access are dumped into the Internet Archive, and if the docs already exist in the Internet Archive, they can be retrieved from there instead (to reduce PACER costs). We'll get every doc out of PACER one day and reform their stance on charges for access, until then RECAP will have to do. https://free.law/recap/ https://free.law/recap/ EDIT: If you work in the PACER IT department and want to send me a hard drive, that'd be fine too ;)

Funny, even for my own case, I had to use Pacer and pay for access. A fucking racket is what it is.

rayiner 10y ago

Is it a racket for the DMV to charge you fees for title and registration?

MWil 10y ago
If a law said they were only legally allowed to charge for the cost of supplying the paper/ink and labor involved yet they charged a flat fee that in the aggregate that was magnitudes larger than what it cost...yes. That's the analogous scenario here. edit: and now I'm confused b/c you're an appellate lawyer... edit2: btw, there's a reasonable scenario where free is the most they could legally charge, in case you were focusing on the fact that a fee is charged at all
riskable 10y ago
Is it a "racket"? No. Are the fees "just"? Well, I honestly don't know. It probably varies on a state-by-state basis but here in Florida the title fee is likely outdated and unnecessary considering that it is all handled electronically and the cost to transfer and store such information is likely fractions of a percentage of a penny. The original cost of the title fee stems from what I can only assume is the cost of paying people to file and retrieve such paperwork. I view the registration fee as just another tax. In fact, the state of Florida requires that you pay Florida sales tax for vehicles purchased outside the state (if purchased/registered within a year I think) and it takes that tax as part of the vehicle registration fee. Is the copyright system "just"? No. Hell no. We're so far removed from that point that some people view copyright violation as a form of justice. A lot of that likely stems from the length of terms for copyright and the fact that everything is copyrighted by default. Go back to mandatory registration (with a registration fee =) and somewhere between 5-25 year terms depending on the work and that'd be a good start towards copyright justice.
- harryh 10y ago
  The taxes you are paying for out of state purchases in Florida are just basic sales taxes like you pay on almost anything else.
- pc86 10y ago
  > the state of Florida requires that you pay Florida sales tax for vehicles purchased outside the state (if purchased/registered within a year I think) I believe most states require this (if you purchased the vehicle less than one prior to the date you are registering it in the new state).

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Please make sure to use RECAP when you use Pacer: the docs you access are dumped into the Internet Archive, and if the docs already exist in the Internet Archive, they can be retrieved from there instead (to reduce PACER costs). We'll get every doc out of PACER one day and reform their stance on charges for access, until then RECAP will have to do. https://free.law/recap/ https://free.law/recap/ EDIT: If you work in the PACER IT department and want to send me a hard drive, that'd be fine too ;)