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Sweden Introduces Six-Hour Work Day

3 points by userium 10y ago

hitr 10y ago
My company which employs more than 100K employees and also one of the largest software company in the world can never work with 6 Hour.Because even the 8 Hour work itself is not enough for us to finish our jobs.This is the case with lot of people I interact with.Almost all my kith and kins who work in IT or engineering companies end up working 12 hours easily everyday and still some end up working on Saturdays.This may work for non IT companies especially manufacturing(because multiple shifts) or some government organizations(only work on a particular timing) better than private IT companies. e.g Services companies bill their clients for number of hours per engineer and this would drastically reduce their income [edit]spelling mistakes
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Really? Because that sounds abusive - make employees work 12 hours a day on salary, so the company profits by billing for 12 instead of 8 (or 6) hours? They need a union.
  - hitr 10y ago
    I meant billing 8 hours per day compared to 6 hours per day.For a services company , The project needs to get extended as the man hours needed will take more time for 6 hr work day. So company needs to hire more heads as per current 8hr/day estimation but at the same time salary of the employees stay same.So the point is ,wouldn't be a lose if the company's business model is selling man hours ?
    - dalke 10y ago
      It's already "a lose" for you, because you are giving the company your free time in order for it to make more profit. When you are burned out after 10 years of working 12 hour days, will the company keep you employed?
- dalke 10y ago
  When you say "finish our jobs", what does that mean? Does it mean that you have been assigned too much work to finish in 8 hours, and if you don't finish the work you'll be fired? If so, that sounds like you are overworked and exploited. Does it mean that all of your competitors are also working 12 hours days, so in the fight-to-the-bottom a single company can't reduce the work hours without fear the competition will overtake them? If so, then a law which requires 8 hours, or 6 hours, will get rid of that competition. Are any of your competitors from countries which mandate an 8 hour work day? The US exempts programmers from that requirement, as I recall. If so, how do they manage?
  - hitr 10y ago
    Yes it is overworked or exploited. But the work is not forced at all but you end up extending yourself If you want to be at the top of the stack .And my counter parts who work in US also ends up working definitely more than 8 hours.Another thing I noticed is that many of these people enjoy the challenging but time consuming work at least during the initial days.
    - dalke 10y ago
      If you aren't forced, then why not leave after 8 hours? I asked for a definition. You answered with more undefined terms. What does "top of the stack" mean? Is it the total number of hours worked? How do you establish who is at the top, and why is it important to you? Not, why is it important to the company, but why do you personally want to work an additional 4 hours per day to get to the top of this stack? Once you've answered that, you should be aware that the many studies of learning say there's only about 4 hours of real skills acquisition or creative work possible per day, for the long term. And that past 8 hours your productivity decreases, and people start going to work so the body is present, but they end up doing other things instead, from paying bills to playing videogames to commenting on HN. Things they could easily do at home. While videogames and HN are fun, what of those who find cycling, dancing, or hanging out at the bar more fun? Why should the company control your free time?
      - hitr 10y ago

3 points by userium 10y ago

hitr 10y ago

My company which employs more than 100K employees and also one of the largest software company in the world can never work with 6 Hour.Because even the 8 Hour work itself is not enough for us to finish our jobs.This is the case with lot of people I interact with.Almost all my kith and kins who work in IT or engineering companies end up working 12 hours easily everyday and still some end up working on Saturdays.This may work for non IT companies especially manufacturing(because multiple shifts) or some government organizations(only work on a particular timing) better than private IT companies. e.g Services companies bill their clients for number of hours per engineer and this would drastically reduce their income [edit]spelling mistakes

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Really? Because that sounds abusive - make employees work 12 hours a day on salary, so the company profits by billing for 12 instead of 8 (or 6) hours? They need a union.
- hitr 10y ago
  I meant billing 8 hours per day compared to 6 hours per day.For a services company , The project needs to get extended as the man hours needed will take more time for 6 hr work day. So company needs to hire more heads as per current 8hr/day estimation but at the same time salary of the employees stay same.So the point is ,wouldn't be a lose if the company's business model is selling man hours ?
  - dalke 10y ago
    It's already "a lose" for you, because you are giving the company your free time in order for it to make more profit. When you are burned out after 10 years of working 12 hour days, will the company keep you employed?
dalke 10y ago
When you say "finish our jobs", what does that mean? Does it mean that you have been assigned too much work to finish in 8 hours, and if you don't finish the work you'll be fired? If so, that sounds like you are overworked and exploited. Does it mean that all of your competitors are also working 12 hours days, so in the fight-to-the-bottom a single company can't reduce the work hours without fear the competition will overtake them? If so, then a law which requires 8 hours, or 6 hours, will get rid of that competition. Are any of your competitors from countries which mandate an 8 hour work day? The US exempts programmers from that requirement, as I recall. If so, how do they manage?
- hitr 10y ago
  Yes it is overworked or exploited. But the work is not forced at all but you end up extending yourself If you want to be at the top of the stack .And my counter parts who work in US also ends up working definitely more than 8 hours.Another thing I noticed is that many of these people enjoy the challenging but time consuming work at least during the initial days.
  - dalke 10y ago
    If you aren't forced, then why not leave after 8 hours? I asked for a definition. You answered with more undefined terms. What does "top of the stack" mean? Is it the total number of hours worked? How do you establish who is at the top, and why is it important to you? Not, why is it important to the company, but why do you personally want to work an additional 4 hours per day to get to the top of this stack? Once you've answered that, you should be aware that the many studies of learning say there's only about 4 hours of real skills acquisition or creative work possible per day, for the long term. And that past 8 hours your productivity decreases, and people start going to work so the body is present, but they end up doing other things instead, from paying bills to playing videogames to commenting on HN. Things they could easily do at home. While videogames and HN are fun, what of those who find cycling, dancing, or hanging out at the bar more fun? Why should the company control your free time?
    - hitr 10y ago