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[Responding to myself since I can't respond to the the flagged and dead original. You can click on your username and turn on "Show Dead" to view it.] I have wi
by nkurz 10y ago
[Responding to myself since I can't respond to the the flagged and dead original. You can click on your username and turn on "Show Dead" to view it.]
I have witnessed HN darlings get away with far, far worse ad-hominem vulgarity with nary a peep from the moderators
Likely, but enforcement is always going to be "spotty", so it's almost impossible to distinguish bias from bad luck in any particular case. And perhaps they are "darlings" because they interact politely with the moderators?
For history's sake, let's link the original post which dang replied to and subsequently killed.
I don't know if it is intentional, but I think you are conflating different issues. Dan marked the thread off topic and explained why. Subsequently, another comment in the thread was killed by user flags. It is unlikely that Dan killed it himself.
There was zero rule breaking in that one, just thoughtcrimes
Arguably, although the counter-argument that Dan presents is that "attractive nuisances" are against the rules. He explains his reasoning (which I agree with) in a more recent response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12163939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12163939. The goal of moderation is not ensuring technical compliance with arbitrary rules, rather then goal is "protecting civil, substantive discussion".
Like the common (and often truncated) quote that "democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms", the standard against which HN should be judged is not whether the moderation is perfect, but how it compares to the alternatives. Based on the current state of HN relative to other internet discussion sites, I'd claim that the moderation seems to be working pretty well. Where do you think is doing a better job?
Separately, are "clevernickname" and "FD3SA" both your accounts? The transition it the thread from one account to the other seems odd to explain otherwise. If so, the "zero rule breaking in that one" seems like an odd claim, akin to the "Freemen on the Land" claims of immunity from the the courts based on being "Incorrectly Identified". See page 75 here: https://thelastbastille.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/meads-v-meads-2012-abqb-571-organized-pseudolegal-commercial-argument-opca-freeman-on-the-land-decision.pdf https://thelastbastille.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/meads-v-...
If HN is about entrepreneurship and technological progress, why do they ruthlessly suppress established scientific consensus?
I know this must feel like a well framed question, but it's really not. Why should we assume "HN is about entrepreneurship and technological progress" any more than assuming "the moon is made of blue cheese"? Who exactly is the "they" that is suppressing scientific consensus, and if this was the goal why choose such a round-about way to do so? For that matter, what does "consensus" have to do with science?
And here's my hypothesis: because it does not fit the current political zeitgeist.
A scientific hypothesis should make a falsifiable prediction. Is this the sense in which you are using the term? If so, what predictions does your hypothesis make that are different from a plausible "null hypothesis" like "the moderators are trying their best to keep HN as a place where substantive discussion is possible"? How would we go about testing these predictions?
- james-watson 10y agoThere's a lot of disparate claims you are making here without a central argument. No, I did not use sockpuppet accounts. Unlike fulltime moderators, I have things to do other than spend every hour of the day on HN to score political points. I only had one previous account, and it was banned as a result of that thread. As to your other questions, you are losing the forest for the trees. What I am saying is this: https://www.edge.org/conversation/helena_cronin-getting-human-nature-right https://www.edge.org/conversation/helena_cronin-getting-huma... You are free to make of it what you will. Obviously, neither I, or Dr. Cronin, or the Holy Ghost himself can convince you of a fact that you do not wish to be convinced of; the choice is yours.
- nkurz 10y agoI only had one previous account, and it was banned as a result of that thread. I appreciate the clear statement. My guess based on Dan's comments is that he thinks you are associated with other undisclosed accounts, and that this might explain some of the confusion as to what is acceptable discourse. As to your other questions, you are losing the forest for the trees. Possibly. Also possible that we are in different forests, or that I care more about trees than forests. What I am saying is this: https://www.edge.org/conversation/helena_cronin-getting-human-nature-right https://www.edge.org/conversation/helena_cronin-getting-huma... Thanks, I will read and consider. At a glance, I think it reflects my beliefs as well. I read the "Ant and the Peacock" long ago, but don't recall the specifics of her argument. My favorite book in this area, which I think is compatible with Cronin, is Sarah Blaffer Hrdy's "Mother Nature": https://www.amazon.com/Mother-Nature-Maternal-Instincts-Species/dp/0345408934 https://www.amazon.com/Mother-Nature-Maternal-Instincts-Spec.... If you haven't read it, I'm guessing you'd love it. Hrdy also wins my personal award for "Best Evolutionary Development Theorist That's Been Almost Completely Ignored". Happily that seems to be changing a bit recently, with her work finally starting to get respect: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-...
- james-watson 10y ago