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You do realize the other link is a stated income / no doc loan right? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-28/get-ready-for-the-return-of-risky-mortg

You do realize the other link is a stated income / no doc loan right? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-28/get-ready-for-the-return-of-risky-mortgage-bonds-credit-markets http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-28/get-ready-... > Angel Oak is willing to buy loans with credit scores as low as 500, though the average has been about 670, just below the 680 level some use as a cut-off for subprime on a scale of 300 to 850, Hsu said. The company makes sure borrowers can afford the payments and requires at least 20 percent down payments, he said. 660 is subprime.

Domenic_S 10y ago
That is not a no doc loan. You conveniently left out the very next sentence: > The company makes sure borrowers can afford the payments and requires at least 20 percent down payments, he said. "makes sure borrowers can afford the payments" is code for "documentation required". What's more, 20% down gives good capitalization and is hardly sub-prime (as a loan product). Low-score low-down FHA loans have existed for a long time and are not a cause for concern -- mortgage insurance is required and offsets the risk, unlike the crazy balloon ARM products of the bubble.
- fweespeech 10y ago
  http://www.qualifiedhomeloans.com/campaigns/statedincomeloans/?gclid=CKG0g4ity84CFUGSfgoduV0GvA http://www.qualifiedhomeloans.com/campaigns/statedincomeloan... Did you really not read the first link I gave you which is a stated income loan? You are very interested in convincing me you are right when I know these no doc places exist and know people who have loans with them. I was simply correcting your belief that 660 was not "subprime".
  - Domenic_S 10y ago
    Dude, come on. Embedded youtube video that doesn't exist anymore, 2000s-era site -- you really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find that page. See my sibling comment, most lenders don't consider 660 subprime.
    - fweespeech 10y ago
      > Dude, come on. Embedded youtube video that doesn't exist anymore, 2000s-era site -- you really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find that page. It was an ad on the same google search as that first article. Look, these products exist. You can live in denial if you'd like.

Domenic_S 10y ago

That is not a no doc loan. You conveniently left out the very next sentence: > The company makes sure borrowers can afford the payments and requires at least 20 percent down payments, he said. "makes sure borrowers can afford the payments" is code for "documentation required". What's more, 20% down gives good capitalization and is hardly sub-prime (as a loan product). Low-score low-down FHA loans have existed for a long time and are not a cause for concern -- mortgage insurance is required and offsets the risk, unlike the crazy balloon ARM products of the bubble.

fweespeech 10y ago
http://www.qualifiedhomeloans.com/campaigns/statedincomeloans/?gclid=CKG0g4ity84CFUGSfgoduV0GvA http://www.qualifiedhomeloans.com/campaigns/statedincomeloan... Did you really not read the first link I gave you which is a stated income loan? You are very interested in convincing me you are right when I know these no doc places exist and know people who have loans with them. I was simply correcting your belief that 660 was not "subprime".
- Domenic_S 10y ago
  Dude, come on. Embedded youtube video that doesn't exist anymore, 2000s-era site -- you really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find that page. See my sibling comment, most lenders don't consider 660 subprime.
  - fweespeech 10y ago
    > Dude, come on. Embedded youtube video that doesn't exist anymore, 2000s-era site -- you really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find that page. It was an ad on the same google search as that first article. Look, these products exist. You can live in denial if you'd like.