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> Harder to engage a remote employee in company culture and values I might sound a bit cynical here, but company culture and values (and everything surrounding

> Harder to engage a remote employee in company culture and values I might sound a bit cynical here, but company culture and values (and everything surrounding it) is essentially the glue that sticks the suckers together. Employment is, in the simplest sense, nothing more than an all eggs in one basket business relationship. You can make friends with certain people while employed, but companies (the entities as a whole) have, almost always, zero loyalty towards their employees. How many companies are touting "we're all in this together, guys!" only to turn around and fire 10% of their staff for whatever reason? Also, why would one have to share the values/culture of the company you're employed at, if you're getting the work done professionally + at a high standard? Almost always these "values" are used an excuse to abuse the relationship (i.e. free overtime, "cause we're all doing it!", "can't give you a raise, because no one is making more than $XXX,000 per year at this company!")

apatters 10y ago
> companies have, almost always, zero loyalty towards their employees I think this belief is wrong. There are very few successful companies that don't go to great lengths to minimize employee turnover because it's economically beneficial. Hiring and training new staff is almost always more expensive than retaining someone who delivers good performance. For a manager one of the biggest benefits of a person who is a "culture fit" is that they tend to be less likely to quit. Sure people get laid off and fired in the world of business. I have yet to see the mustache-twirling villain who relishes doing this. It's basically the worst part of the job. The relationship between employee and employer is economic. When either party decides it no longer makes economic sense they can end it. No one should get confused about that, and getting engaged in the company's culture and values doesn't have to contradict that. The ideal is that it equates to having some other reasons for sticking around and enjoying yourself while you're there. If you're a good employee then trust me they want you to stick around (many employees, including myself at past points in my career, think they're good employees but they're not). All this abuse stuff you're talking about certainly happens in some places but I don't think it's the typical case.
- klibertp 10y ago
  > many employees, including myself at past points in my career, think they're good employees but they're not Any clues on how to test if I'm in that position, or am I actually a good employee? Is there a chart somewhere I could fill and see my actual "employee desirability" score? My problem is I finally, after many years of battling impostor syndrome, believed that I'm not that bad a programmer. So now I started worrying about this thing you mention...
  - tome 10y ago
    > My problem is I finally, after many years of battling impostor syndrome, believed that I'm not that bad a programmer. So now I started worrying about this thing you mention... You mean you've started to get impostor syndrome again?
    - klibertp 10y ago
      Well, I'm not sure, but I don't think so. It's probably my normal depression reinforced by a naturally pessimistic outlook on life this time.
  - rabidrat 10y ago
    Having realized that you're not bad, you overcorrect and start thinking you're good. But when you think you're good, you're not as good as you think you are. And if you really are that good, it's best not to think so (or at least to act like you don't think so).
- jdietrich 10y ago
  >I think this belief is wrong. There are very few successful companies that don't go to great lengths to minimize employee turnover because it's economically beneficial. That's not loyalty, it's a cost-benefit analysis. If you applied the same logic to your personal relationships, you'd rightly be seen as a psychopath.
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apatters 10y ago

> companies have, almost always, zero loyalty towards their employees I think this belief is wrong. There are very few successful companies that don't go to great lengths to minimize employee turnover because it's economically beneficial. Hiring and training new staff is almost always more expensive than retaining someone who delivers good performance. For a manager one of the biggest benefits of a person who is a "culture fit" is that they tend to be less likely to quit. Sure people get laid off and fired in the world of business. I have yet to see the mustache-twirling villain who relishes doing this. It's basically the worst part of the job. The relationship between employee and employer is economic. When either party decides it no longer makes economic sense they can end it. No one should get confused about that, and getting engaged in the company's culture and values doesn't have to contradict that. The ideal is that it equates to having some other reasons for sticking around and enjoying yourself while you're there. If you're a good employee then trust me they want you to stick around (many employees, including myself at past points in my career, think they're good employees but they're not). All this abuse stuff you're talking about certainly happens in some places but I don't think it's the typical case.

klibertp 10y ago
> many employees, including myself at past points in my career, think they're good employees but they're not Any clues on how to test if I'm in that position, or am I actually a good employee? Is there a chart somewhere I could fill and see my actual "employee desirability" score? My problem is I finally, after many years of battling impostor syndrome, believed that I'm not that bad a programmer. So now I started worrying about this thing you mention...
- tome 10y ago
  > My problem is I finally, after many years of battling impostor syndrome, believed that I'm not that bad a programmer. So now I started worrying about this thing you mention... You mean you've started to get impostor syndrome again?
  - klibertp 10y ago
    Well, I'm not sure, but I don't think so. It's probably my normal depression reinforced by a naturally pessimistic outlook on life this time.
- rabidrat 10y ago
  Having realized that you're not bad, you overcorrect and start thinking you're good. But when you think you're good, you're not as good as you think you are. And if you really are that good, it's best not to think so (or at least to act like you don't think so).
jdietrich 10y ago
>I think this belief is wrong. There are very few successful companies that don't go to great lengths to minimize employee turnover because it's economically beneficial. That's not loyalty, it's a cost-benefit analysis. If you applied the same logic to your personal relationships, you'd rightly be seen as a psychopath.
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