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Ask HN: How to encourage curiosity in developers

5 points by c1sc0 17y ago

Over the years I've spotted one nefarious kind of developer over and over again in IT groups: The Incurious Developer. The Incurious Developer is happy with what he knows and does not seek out new knowledge. He's happy to apply whatever technology he masters to any problem that crosses his path. She is resistant to change & will do anything to protect 'the old way'. An Incurious developer thinks he's 'too busy solving real problems' to learn new tricks. Now, I'm not talking about developers with a healthy dose of scepticism: doing things 'the old way' certainly has value, but at a certain point resistance to change becomes damaging. The way I see it, is that it boils down to curiosity. Why do developers lose their youthful(?) curiosity & what can an IT organization do about that?

werk 17y ago
Repetitive coding tasks will burn the curiosity out of anyone. The only solution is to not have "IT organizations".
- c1sc0 17y ago
  You may be onto something here: IT is under constant pressure to squeeze ever more performance out of its workers. Optimizing for performance means taking a common task, standardizing it to make sure that it can be easily repeated without much effort. What do you mean by "not having IT organizations"? What is the alternative?
- pipe2-dev-null 17y ago
  Kill the patient!
  - bioinformatik 17y ago
    I'm not sure eliminating IT or 'killing the patient' as you so eloquently phrase it, is a viable solution for many companies. What can be done to increase the metabolic activity of creativity in said patient instead of killing him?
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ra 17y ago
Yes I'm sorry but large organisations often seem to slowly and inadvertently replace creativity and enthusiasm with processes and procedures.
- c1sc0 17y ago
  Would budgetting in time set aside for non-productive endeavours be helpful? If so, how much?
keefe 17y ago
With the speed at which technology is advancing, there's really no excuse for this attitude. It's also a common, general personality failure. If a person has no love of knowledge by nature and the fear of competition cannot engender it, then what use is such a person?
- c1sc0 17y ago
  Falls in line with the my colleague's "Fire 'em" rhetoric which prompted this thread in the first place. What kinds of things can a company do to encourage learning? Certificates don't count ;-)
  - keefe 17y ago
    How can you change someone's fundamental attitude if fear doesn't work? I'm not sure you can and I'm not even sure fear is all that effective in the long term. Either they want to develop themselves, or they don't.
  - Daniel_Newby 17y ago
    Some people are just afraid of learning, or never discovered that it could be more than grinding away for a boring teacher. Or they are afraid of falling behind at the "real work". You could try to help these folks with enthusiasm and gently leading through the learning process. If it works, great! Other people probably have a combination of low IQ and highly-focused attention [1]. Most of this is probably genetically determined; there is nothing to fix, although it will continue to improve into their mid-twenties. These folks are perfectly useful, and even trainable, but management must understand their cognitive limits. They are not so good at solving problems ill-suited to their existing mental tools, and even worse at recognizing the possibility of other approaches. Higher-order systems are probably especially difficult for them. Understand that they can exude confidence even when walking straight into an architecture tar pit. Do no let them drive the high level strategy, and fire 'em if they try to dominate the discussion. [1] The converse of attention deficit "disorder". EDIT: fear and activity for the sake of activity create focused attention. An organizational culture of compulsive activity and rapid action can cause this is anybody who buys in to it. EDIT AGAIN: The opposite of compulsive activity is play. Make a regular game out of trying things just to see what they do.
bediger 17y ago
Problem solving contests. The "Regular Expression of The Week" challenge, or solving a Raymond Smullyan logic problem, or smallest program that does X challenge. You'll have to mix it up to encourage a lot of participation, as some people are scared of regexps, others of number theory, and others of prgramming challenges.

5 points by c1sc0 17y ago

werk 17y ago

Repetitive coding tasks will burn the curiosity out of anyone. The only solution is to not have "IT organizations".

c1sc0 17y ago
You may be onto something here: IT is under constant pressure to squeeze ever more performance out of its workers. Optimizing for performance means taking a common task, standardizing it to make sure that it can be easily repeated without much effort. What do you mean by "not having IT organizations"? What is the alternative?
pipe2-dev-null 17y ago
Kill the patient!
- bioinformatik 17y ago
  I'm not sure eliminating IT or 'killing the patient' as you so eloquently phrase it, is a viable solution for many companies. What can be done to increase the metabolic activity of creativity in said patient instead of killing him?

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ra 17y ago

Yes I'm sorry but large organisations often seem to slowly and inadvertently replace creativity and enthusiasm with processes and procedures.

c1sc0 17y ago
Would budgetting in time set aside for non-productive endeavours be helpful? If so, how much?

keefe 17y ago

With the speed at which technology is advancing, there's really no excuse for this attitude. It's also a common, general personality failure. If a person has no love of knowledge by nature and the fear of competition cannot engender it, then what use is such a person?

c1sc0 17y ago
Falls in line with the my colleague's "Fire 'em" rhetoric which prompted this thread in the first place. What kinds of things can a company do to encourage learning? Certificates don't count ;-)
- keefe 17y ago
  How can you change someone's fundamental attitude if fear doesn't work? I'm not sure you can and I'm not even sure fear is all that effective in the long term. Either they want to develop themselves, or they don't.
- Daniel_Newby 17y ago
  Some people are just afraid of learning, or never discovered that it could be more than grinding away for a boring teacher. Or they are afraid of falling behind at the "real work". You could try to help these folks with enthusiasm and gently leading through the learning process. If it works, great! Other people probably have a combination of low IQ and highly-focused attention [1]. Most of this is probably genetically determined; there is nothing to fix, although it will continue to improve into their mid-twenties. These folks are perfectly useful, and even trainable, but management must understand their cognitive limits. They are not so good at solving problems ill-suited to their existing mental tools, and even worse at recognizing the possibility of other approaches. Higher-order systems are probably especially difficult for them. Understand that they can exude confidence even when walking straight into an architecture tar pit. Do no let them drive the high level strategy, and fire 'em if they try to dominate the discussion. [1] The converse of attention deficit "disorder". EDIT: fear and activity for the sake of activity create focused attention. An organizational culture of compulsive activity and rapid action can cause this is anybody who buys in to it. EDIT AGAIN: The opposite of compulsive activity is play. Make a regular game out of trying things just to see what they do.

bediger 17y ago

Problem solving contests. The "Regular Expression of The Week" challenge, or solving a Raymond Smullyan logic problem, or smallest program that does X challenge. You'll have to mix it up to encourage a lot of participation, as some people are scared of regexps, others of number theory, and others of prgramming challenges.