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Exactly, this is the important lesson here: Every single little feature that you introduce will be used by someone and you either have to support it forever (th

by b15h0p 10y ago

Exactly, this is the important lesson here: Every single little feature that you introduce will be used by someone and you either have to support it forever (the classic Microsoft-strategy) or take it out and risk the anger of a part of your users. Who will probably complain very loudly.

akerro 10y ago
or will just stop upgrading the software and reopen bugs that were closed in future versions. I do it. I still use KeePassX 1 because it's much more user friendly for me and provides more settings.
BillinghamJ 10y ago
The main problem is that the longer you support it, the more ingrained it gets into the minds of the users. So the pain and anger of taking it away increases as it is supported longer. Everything will have to be taken away eventually, so Microsoft's approach of trying to support things forever is fundamentally flawed. They do seem to have made a decent shift away from that now though, thankfully.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  And you see the crowds getting their torches against UWP, while I see it how .NET should have been done in 2000 (Ext-VOS). https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsyme/2012/07/05/more-c-net-generics-research-project-history-the-msr-white-paper-from-mid-1999/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsyme/2012/07/05/more-c-net...
- Piskvorrr 10y ago
  Shift+Del and Ctrl+Insert are still there, even though Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V have been the "official" keybindings for two decades now.
retox 10y ago
See also: the recent removal of backspace to go back a page in Chrome And Firefox. Luckily I have a 4 button mouse with dedicated back/forward buttons or I would be mad as hell.
- amluto 10y ago
  Good riddance. The problem with backspace is that it means "delete one character" unless you managed to unfocus a text box, in which case it means "lose the whole form and maybe hose the whole application flow". It was actively harmful.
  - JBiserkov 10y ago
    As the joke goes: "The person who invented 'press backspace to go back' is still on the run".
  - Senji 10y ago
    What you should be asking yourself is why don't forms behave as if the browser had the Lazarus extension (for firefox and chrome) already installed. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lazarus-form-recovery/loljledaigphbcpfhfmgopdkppkifgno?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lazarus-form-recov...
  - aidenn0 10y ago
    The default behavior in firefox on linux is to go to a page when you middle-click anywhere that isn't a text box. This took me a while to figure out when I was trying to paste and missed the text-box. I never noticed until I got a linux laptop because missing textboxes on my desktop is a rare occurrence, but with a trackpad I miss all the time.
- MaulingMonkey 10y ago
  Ẅ̪͓́̐ͣ̔̏͜h̟͍̩̻͔̼̄ė͈̙̗ͪͩ͌ͫ̚r͉͈̥̎ͅe̥̥̻̹͓̘̋̏͆̓̽͢ ̸͖̞͚̖̒̉̈ͥ̌̚ͅo̵̬ͪ̌h͐ͧ̀͒͑̓ͨ ̢̖̜͙̺̺̏w̱̺͙͖̖̤ͤ͂̊̊ͨ͌̽ͅh͔̪̱̝̣̰̽ͮͩͧ̈́͢ḙ͉͓͉̖̩̰̋̀̽̚r͛͌҉̫̤̘͚e̐̄ͤ͆̓ͣͅ ̑̒̍̓̑͘h̫̤̭̥̜̦̪͐̋̏̚a̡s̞̝̳̅ͥ ̨m̡̻̮̞̗̥͖ͩy͚̘͖ͅ ҉̫̱͇b͙̥̠͈̂́͐ͮâ̦̗̙͙̲̦̹̕cͫ҉̘͕̹̖k̟̠s͔͌͛ͦp̲̝a̷̞̫͓̰̫̫̍̏ͣͦͨͩͅc͕̩ͤ̀ę͍̯͈̂̇̉̏̊͂ͭ ̯̠̼̹̭́ǵ̞̱ơ̞͙͓̱̩̳̺̑̆̆ͣͭ͑͆n͏̫̲͙͔̟̝͖ẹ͈̭͚ͯ̄̕ͅ?̸̒!̬̱͎̓͂ͅ?̳̰̭̫̽̈̔ͧ̚͞ͅ . The info popup to inform me that Alt+Left is an alternative was a nice touch, though. I'm still adjusting...
- NamTaf 10y ago

by b15h0p 10y ago

akerro 10y ago

or will just stop upgrading the software and reopen bugs that were closed in future versions. I do it. I still use KeePassX 1 because it's much more user friendly for me and provides more settings.

BillinghamJ 10y ago

The main problem is that the longer you support it, the more ingrained it gets into the minds of the users. So the pain and anger of taking it away increases as it is supported longer. Everything will have to be taken away eventually, so Microsoft's approach of trying to support things forever is fundamentally flawed. They do seem to have made a decent shift away from that now though, thankfully.

pjmlp 10y ago
And you see the crowds getting their torches against UWP, while I see it how .NET should have been done in 2000 (Ext-VOS). https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsyme/2012/07/05/more-c-net-generics-research-project-history-the-msr-white-paper-from-mid-1999/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsyme/2012/07/05/more-c-net...
Piskvorrr 10y ago
Shift+Del and Ctrl+Insert are still there, even though Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V have been the "official" keybindings for two decades now.

retox 10y ago

See also: the recent removal of backspace to go back a page in Chrome And Firefox. Luckily I have a 4 button mouse with dedicated back/forward buttons or I would be mad as hell.

amluto 10y ago
Good riddance. The problem with backspace is that it means "delete one character" unless you managed to unfocus a text box, in which case it means "lose the whole form and maybe hose the whole application flow". It was actively harmful.
- JBiserkov 10y ago
  As the joke goes: "The person who invented 'press backspace to go back' is still on the run".
- Senji 10y ago
  What you should be asking yourself is why don't forms behave as if the browser had the Lazarus extension (for firefox and chrome) already installed. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lazarus-form-recovery/loljledaigphbcpfhfmgopdkppkifgno?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lazarus-form-recov...
- aidenn0 10y ago
  The default behavior in firefox on linux is to go to a page when you middle-click anywhere that isn't a text box. This took me a while to figure out when I was trying to paste and missed the text-box. I never noticed until I got a linux laptop because missing textboxes on my desktop is a rare occurrence, but with a trackpad I miss all the time.
MaulingMonkey 10y ago
Ẅ̪͓́̐ͣ̔̏͜h̟͍̩̻͔̼̄ė͈̙̗ͪͩ͌ͫ̚r͉͈̥̎ͅe̥̥̻̹͓̘̋̏͆̓̽͢ ̸͖̞͚̖̒̉̈ͥ̌̚ͅo̵̬ͪ̌h͐ͧ̀͒͑̓ͨ ̢̖̜͙̺̺̏w̱̺͙͖̖̤ͤ͂̊̊ͨ͌̽ͅh͔̪̱̝̣̰̽ͮͩͧ̈́͢ḙ͉͓͉̖̩̰̋̀̽̚r͛͌҉̫̤̘͚e̐̄ͤ͆̓ͣͅ ̑̒̍̓̑͘h̫̤̭̥̜̦̪͐̋̏̚a̡s̞̝̳̅ͥ ̨m̡̻̮̞̗̥͖ͩy͚̘͖ͅ ҉̫̱͇b͙̥̠͈̂́͐ͮâ̦̗̙͙̲̦̹̕cͫ҉̘͕̹̖k̟̠s͔͌͛ͦp̲̝a̷̞̫͓̰̫̫̍̏ͣͦͨͩͅc͕̩ͤ̀ę͍̯͈̂̇̉̏̊͂ͭ ̯̠̼̹̭́ǵ̞̱ơ̞͙͓̱̩̳̺̑̆̆ͣͭ͑͆n͏̫̲͙͔̟̝͖ẹ͈̭͚ͯ̄̕ͅ?̸̒!̬̱͎̓͂ͅ?̳̰̭̫̽̈̔ͧ̚͞ͅ . The info popup to inform me that Alt+Left is an alternative was a nice touch, though. I'm still adjusting...
NamTaf 10y ago