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Seeing more negative news about Win 10 on HN interests me. HN, what I regard, a big developer news site - I wonder if Microsoft cares. I am sure and probably s

Seeing more negative news about Win 10 on HN interests me. HN, what I regard, a big developer news site - I wonder if Microsoft cares. I am sure and probably stating the obvious here. Developers are a group Microsoft does care about - devs eventually drives some of the cogs in their grand scheme. Making noise here will get their attention, more than making noise on some consumer forum.

supernovae 10y ago
Most of it seems completely misguided if you ask me. I'm no fan of all the tracking stuff, but lets be real. Everyone in here with an iPhone or an Android phone has the same experience yet i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself, has tracking info and locks them into stores and such. It only seems unfair when MS does it. I remember the day when people used to be enthusiastic about their computer and saw updates not just as things getting in the way. For example, the recent win10 update for anniversary update. Are people really bitching their finally getting a native browser with extensions that is fast and has gesture/touch capability second to none on the tablet form facter? are people really pissed they're getting linux subsystem with Ubuntu 14.04 built in? are people really pissed that the store experience has improved drastically that the apps you buy work on xbox, pc, phone, tablet and hololens? I don't get it. Groove is awesome. Its updated biweekly now and the developers are on twitter accepting feedback. OneDrive works well.. the nagging of onedrive can be uninstalled by not using the desktop app.. i won't go into every detail, but the experience of windows 10 is only as good as you make it out to be. I think most people are just largely misguided at what MS is trying to achieve and if they honestly don't like it, they don't have to buy it. BTW, the upgrade stuff was pretty hoaky too but again, i for the life of me can't find a reason not to upgrade if the upgrade was offered. It's like having an ios device and swearing to stay on iOS 8 just because or having a linux PC and sticking to debian 6 just because.
- brokenmachine 10y ago
  >BTW, the upgrade stuff was pretty hoaky Hoaky? I'd go with deceptive, misleading, shady or dishonest instead of hoaky. So you really think it's even in the ballpark of ok to force an update on people? Personally, I don't have a need to update just so my OS is called Win 10 instead of Win 7. Plus I hate the Win 10 interface. I don't need touch enabled interfaces for my desktop OS. There are many reasons why not to upgrade. Compatibility is a major one, unsupported hardware is another. The forced tracking is another. Need I go on? That's enough reasons for me.
- catdog 10y ago
  > Most of it seems completely misguided if you ask me. I'm no fan of all the tracking stuff, but lets be real. Everyone in here with an iPhone or an Android phone has the same experience yet i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself, has tracking info and locks them into stores and such. It only seems unfair when MS does it. That may sadly be true. Microsoft is following Google and Apple here but you hear surprisingly few complaints about them.
- jakebasile 10y ago
  > i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself You can choose not to update in both of these cases. > people used to be enthusiastic about their computer ... I'm not upset at those features being available. I am upset about them being added without any input from me and without a chance to stop them from being installed. I have no use for most of what you mention, I don't want them installed, and if they are installed without my consent I want to be able to remove them. I own my computer, not Microsoft. > the nagging of onedrive can be uninstalled by not using the desktop app You have to regedit to remove OneDrive from Explorer. > if they honestly don't like it, they don't have to buy it. Many people didn't buy it and were upgraded unknowingly. I did buy it, but that doesn't mean I cannot be upset at the current situation. > for the life of me can't find a reason not to upgrade if the upgrade was offered That's your choice, and many others. Neither you nor Microsoft should override those choices. If someone does choose to upgrade to 10 that also doesn't mean they must further consent to every other new decision Microsoft makes for Windows.
brokenmachine 10y ago
I wish that were true, but I think MS is more interested in tricking users into being locked in to their software and selling their data than caring about power users/developers. I think it will bite them in the ass eventually. Non-techie people will follow the recommendations of power users, and they are really doing a good job of pissing off all the power users.

supernovae 10y ago

Most of it seems completely misguided if you ask me. I'm no fan of all the tracking stuff, but lets be real. Everyone in here with an iPhone or an Android phone has the same experience yet i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself, has tracking info and locks them into stores and such. It only seems unfair when MS does it. I remember the day when people used to be enthusiastic about their computer and saw updates not just as things getting in the way. For example, the recent win10 update for anniversary update. Are people really bitching their finally getting a native browser with extensions that is fast and has gesture/touch capability second to none on the tablet form facter? are people really pissed they're getting linux subsystem with Ubuntu 14.04 built in? are people really pissed that the store experience has improved drastically that the apps you buy work on xbox, pc, phone, tablet and hololens? I don't get it. Groove is awesome. Its updated biweekly now and the developers are on twitter accepting feedback. OneDrive works well.. the nagging of onedrive can be uninstalled by not using the desktop app.. i won't go into every detail, but the experience of windows 10 is only as good as you make it out to be. I think most people are just largely misguided at what MS is trying to achieve and if they honestly don't like it, they don't have to buy it. BTW, the upgrade stuff was pretty hoaky too but again, i for the life of me can't find a reason not to upgrade if the upgrade was offered. It's like having an ios device and swearing to stay on iOS 8 just because or having a linux PC and sticking to debian 6 just because.

brokenmachine 10y ago
>BTW, the upgrade stuff was pretty hoaky Hoaky? I'd go with deceptive, misleading, shady or dishonest instead of hoaky. So you really think it's even in the ballpark of ok to force an update on people? Personally, I don't have a need to update just so my OS is called Win 10 instead of Win 7. Plus I hate the Win 10 interface. I don't need touch enabled interfaces for my desktop OS. There are many reasons why not to upgrade. Compatibility is a major one, unsupported hardware is another. The forced tracking is another. Need I go on? That's enough reasons for me.
catdog 10y ago
> Most of it seems completely misguided if you ask me. I'm no fan of all the tracking stuff, but lets be real. Everyone in here with an iPhone or an Android phone has the same experience yet i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself, has tracking info and locks them into stores and such. It only seems unfair when MS does it. That may sadly be true. Microsoft is following Google and Apple here but you hear surprisingly few complaints about them.
jakebasile 10y ago
> i don't see them complaining that their iphone/android device updates itself You can choose not to update in both of these cases. > people used to be enthusiastic about their computer ... I'm not upset at those features being available. I am upset about them being added without any input from me and without a chance to stop them from being installed. I have no use for most of what you mention, I don't want them installed, and if they are installed without my consent I want to be able to remove them. I own my computer, not Microsoft. > the nagging of onedrive can be uninstalled by not using the desktop app You have to regedit to remove OneDrive from Explorer. > if they honestly don't like it, they don't have to buy it. Many people didn't buy it and were upgraded unknowingly. I did buy it, but that doesn't mean I cannot be upset at the current situation. > for the life of me can't find a reason not to upgrade if the upgrade was offered That's your choice, and many others. Neither you nor Microsoft should override those choices. If someone does choose to upgrade to 10 that also doesn't mean they must further consent to every other new decision Microsoft makes for Windows.

brokenmachine 10y ago

I wish that were true, but I think MS is more interested in tricking users into being locked in to their software and selling their data than caring about power users/developers. I think it will bite them in the ass eventually. Non-techie people will follow the recommendations of power users, and they are really doing a good job of pissing off all the power users.