> "What is the alternative?" - a system of rights based on the nature of human beings. Human beings survive by producing the things we need to survive. We need

> "What is the alternative?" - a system of rights based on the nature of human beings. Human beings survive by producing the things we need to survive. We need governments to protect others from initiating force against us in opposition to our primary needs of living. I'm having trouble figuring out how this doesn't still boil down to people making judgement calls on what is and isn't a right, just with a level of indirection, so maybe this other question will help me see what you mean: > Will we ever see this in reality? No. But, the closer humans have gotten in history the better off they've been. Do you have an example in mind of when and where we've come especially close to this ideal?