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I'm obviously biased. Most of Cloud Foundry is built the way I like software to be built. Pair programming, TDD, small balanced teams, prioritising for user va

I'm obviously biased. Most of Cloud Foundry is built the way I like software to be built. Pair programming, TDD, small balanced teams, prioritising for user valu. That style of development is actually baked into the Cloud Foundry Foundation rules. Companies who join the Foundation are expected to send engineers to ramp up on developing in this style. And voting rights are based on the number of full-time engineers you have assigned to the effort. The reason I mention all this is that I trust the way we build Cloud Foundry. We still get production bugs and oversights and mistakes. It's around 4 million lines of code that turns into a distributed system of ~50 different interacting processes. We built a fully-featured, robust PaaS, using containers, in about 3 years, starting from scratch. Nobody outside Google had built a container platform of this level before. Nobody but Heroku had built a fully-featured PaaS of this level before. We are, to my knowledge, the first system to do both of these things. Certainly the first opensource one. The reason you never hear about Cloud Foundry is because we've already built all the components other folks are trying to roll up into full PaaSes. "It just works, already" is a boring story. But again, quite seriously: I am obviously very biased.

sandGorgon 10y ago
This is awesome! So you're telling me that not telling the world that you have a high quality, tested, opensource, fully functional, container based Heroku-clone is deliberate ? Please excuse me while I take an hour to digest that.
- jacques_chester 10y ago
  You're choralling to the preacher, mate. Right now the companies who provide the most engineering -- Pivotal and IBM -- are laser-focused on capturing enterprise dollars. Which from a business perspective makes perfect sense. Pivotal's commercial distribution of Cloud Foundry (PivotalCF) holds the record for fastest-growing sales of any opensource product. Ever. But there's not much effort on promoting to devs and startups (IBM are starting to do this more with BlueMix, which is their CF distribution). But it's early days. So basically you'll usually find that I and a sprinkling of my colleagues show up in threads like these out of the goodness of our hearts and fondness for our work. Obviously I have a financial interest. Pivotal makes money from PivotalCF, I work for Pivotal I'm on an options plan as well. So YMMV. But I think Cloud Foundry is just ... way ahead, in terms of actually getting work done. Edit: and since I'm musing aloud about business-y things, I should emphasise again that nothing I say is in an official capacity, consult your lawyer, financial planner and astrologer, etc etc.

sandGorgon 10y ago

This is awesome! So you're telling me that not telling the world that you have a high quality, tested, opensource, fully functional, container based Heroku-clone is deliberate ? Please excuse me while I take an hour to digest that.

jacques_chester 10y ago
You're choralling to the preacher, mate. Right now the companies who provide the most engineering -- Pivotal and IBM -- are laser-focused on capturing enterprise dollars. Which from a business perspective makes perfect sense. Pivotal's commercial distribution of Cloud Foundry (PivotalCF) holds the record for fastest-growing sales of any opensource product. Ever. But there's not much effort on promoting to devs and startups (IBM are starting to do this more with BlueMix, which is their CF distribution). But it's early days. So basically you'll usually find that I and a sprinkling of my colleagues show up in threads like these out of the goodness of our hearts and fondness for our work. Obviously I have a financial interest. Pivotal makes money from PivotalCF, I work for Pivotal I'm on an options plan as well. So YMMV. But I think Cloud Foundry is just ... way ahead, in terms of actually getting work done. Edit: and since I'm musing aloud about business-y things, I should emphasise again that nothing I say is in an official capacity, consult your lawyer, financial planner and astrologer, etc etc.