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It is simply not Walmart's job to prevent crime. All businesses should be allowed to operate under the assumption that in return for their tax dollars crime pre

It is simply not Walmart's job to prevent crime. All businesses should be allowed to operate under the assumption that in return for their tax dollars crime prevention will be handled by the state.

maxerickson 10y ago
Would you expect the state to station a police officer at your vegetable stand to make sure that people follow the honor system? What's the difference between that and Walmart under-staffing?
- marknutter 10y ago
  No, and Walmart isn't expecting the police to station themselves at their stores. I would, however, expect the police to do their job and arrest repeat offenders so they can be locked up and potentially reformed.
massysett 10y ago
Police do more crime cleanup than crime prevention. I expect the police to protect my home but I know they can only do so much. If I leave the key in my front door and people come in and steal my stuff, that's still stealing. But the police would be right to complain if I routinely leave my key in the door.
- marknutter 10y ago
  Of course it's my fault if I leave my key in my door and I get stolen from, but I am in no way obligated to protect myself from criminals, just like women are in no way obligated to dress conservatively in order to avoid rape or sexual abuse.
  - massysett 10y ago
    So are you suggesting that you should be able to leave your key in the door as much as you want beacuse you're under no obligation to protect yourself? The argument here is that perhaps Walmart, as a large retailer, should take security measures, just as a homeowner should not leave his key in the lock. Yes they don't have to have security, but then it may not be reasonable for them to demand immediate police response, just like I might not expect the cops to help me every day if I leave my key in the lock. The clause you added about rape is just wrong in so many ways.
    - marknutter 10y ago
      > So are you suggesting that you should be able to leave your key in the door as much as you want beacuse you're under no obligation to protect yourself? Yes, and in fact am legally able to. > The argument here is that perhaps Walmart, as a large retailer, should take security measures, just as a homeowner should not leave his key in the lock. Yes they don't have to have security, but then it may not be reasonable for them to demand immediate police response, just like I might not expect the cops to help me every day if I leave my key in the lock. But that's not how criminal justice works. It's not to protect and serve those who are doing everything to protect and serve themselves, it's to protect and serve everyone regardless of their ability or even willingness to protect themselves. Would you blame the victim of a break-in for not owning a gun? > The clause you added about rape is just wrong in so many ways. Indulge me - name one way in which it's wrong.

It is simply not Walmart's job to prevent crime. All businesses should be allowed to operate under the assumption that in return for their tax dollars crime prevention will be handled by the state.

maxerickson 10y ago

Would you expect the state to station a police officer at your vegetable stand to make sure that people follow the honor system? What's the difference between that and Walmart under-staffing?

marknutter 10y ago
No, and Walmart isn't expecting the police to station themselves at their stores. I would, however, expect the police to do their job and arrest repeat offenders so they can be locked up and potentially reformed.

massysett 10y ago

Police do more crime cleanup than crime prevention. I expect the police to protect my home but I know they can only do so much. If I leave the key in my front door and people come in and steal my stuff, that's still stealing. But the police would be right to complain if I routinely leave my key in the door.

marknutter 10y ago
Of course it's my fault if I leave my key in my door and I get stolen from, but I am in no way obligated to protect myself from criminals, just like women are in no way obligated to dress conservatively in order to avoid rape or sexual abuse.
- massysett 10y ago
  So are you suggesting that you should be able to leave your key in the door as much as you want beacuse you're under no obligation to protect yourself? The argument here is that perhaps Walmart, as a large retailer, should take security measures, just as a homeowner should not leave his key in the lock. Yes they don't have to have security, but then it may not be reasonable for them to demand immediate police response, just like I might not expect the cops to help me every day if I leave my key in the lock. The clause you added about rape is just wrong in so many ways.
  - marknutter 10y ago
    > So are you suggesting that you should be able to leave your key in the door as much as you want beacuse you're under no obligation to protect yourself? Yes, and in fact am legally able to. > The argument here is that perhaps Walmart, as a large retailer, should take security measures, just as a homeowner should not leave his key in the lock. Yes they don't have to have security, but then it may not be reasonable for them to demand immediate police response, just like I might not expect the cops to help me every day if I leave my key in the lock. But that's not how criminal justice works. It's not to protect and serve those who are doing everything to protect and serve themselves, it's to protect and serve everyone regardless of their ability or even willingness to protect themselves. Would you blame the victim of a break-in for not owning a gun? > The clause you added about rape is just wrong in so many ways. Indulge me - name one way in which it's wrong.