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The TL;DR of how Zuck wants to build FB's future w/his quotes: 1) "Connectivity, so getting everyone in the world on the Internet." 2) "The next one is AI. I

by aresant 10y ago

The TL;DR of how Zuck wants to build FB's future w/his quotes: 1) "Connectivity, so getting everyone in the world on the Internet." 2) "The next one is AI. I think that that's just going to unlock so much potential in so many different domains." 3) "[The next computing platform] - I think that's going to be virtual reality and augmented reality." For all the flack that Zuck is getting in this thread he lays out a pretty concise vision of what he needs to do to continue the FB's juggernaut run.

metaphorm 10y ago
um...his vision of the future is 1980s Sci-Fi novels?
aaron-lebo 10y ago
Connectivity, AI, VR? You don't have to be a billionaire to see those being important. Hopefully we'll have a more benevolent entity than Facebook bringing us into that future.
- tedmiston 10y ago
  You don't, but it helps make it real when you can acquire the best minds in that space.
  - duaneb 10y ago
    That's another way of saying you can reinforce delusion with money. It's only positive if it's right.
- mpbm 10y ago
  Benevolence is over rated. Competitive self-interest is at least verifiably productive.
jazzyk 10y ago
You call the above high-level, vague (and mostly obvious) predictions - "a precise vision"?
- mpbm 10y ago
  concise, not precise
Animats 10y ago
"[The next computing platform] - I think that's going to be virtual reality and augmented reality." You have to listen to Zuckerberg on this, because he's good at understanding what people will put up with. I never expected that a sizable portion of the population would walk around looking at smartphones, totally losing situational awareness. Even when not playing Pokemon Go. But that became socially acceptable. The failure of Google Glassholes seemed to indicate that artificial reality was going to be socially unacceptable. But Zuckerberg might be able to sell it to society. Microsoft talks about it as an office tool (see their "HoloLens" stuff) but that may be the wrong vision. The right vision may be "Hyperreality".[1] This is a must-see for anybody thinking about artificial reality. These people are much closer to a realistic vision than Microsoft is. (Watch at 1080p if possible.) [1] https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261
- moridinamael 10y ago
  Google Glass was always too expensive and feature-poor, and there was never at any point a concerted marketing campaigned designed to make you Go Buy It Now. It wasn't the social awkwardness of that product which doomed it, it was Google's decision not to fully commit to it at the time.
- gavinpc 10y ago
  I agree that's a must watch, but how is it not just HoloLens + 10 years + Ridley Scott (edit plus get me out of here)? It's a bit unfair to compare an artist's vision to a functioning (and almost shipping) device.
  - Animats 10y ago
    Technically, this AR hardware [1] could do Hyperreality. Technology isn't the problem. It's "why bother"? Zuckerberg is thinking of AR as a social system. That implies something much more like Hyperreality than Microsoft's system. Remember, there is not, as yet, a killer app for VR, even though good hardware has been available for years now. [1] https://www.metavision.com/ https://www.metavision.com/
jseliger 10y ago
For all the flack that Zuck is getting in this thread It's pretty safe to ignore most of the flack in this thread. Most people vote with their feet (or wallets, or eyeballs, or attention), and they've voted that they love Facebook, regardless of what a minority of people in this thread say or upvote. Nerds have a cantankerous side and are as prone to virtue signalling as any other group. Those of us who read Slashdot ages ago may remember the Microsoft hate it hosted and the way every year was going to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Well, Microsoft is still here; Linux on the desktop is still a minority pursuit; and most people never cared that much about the OS they used. The specific target nerd derision has changed some, but the form of the attack and disdain has not. Any company or country or person's haters is proportionate to its size. Look at what people do and how they behave rather than what they say.
- Karunamon 10y ago
  There's a difference between loving Facebook, and begrudgingly using it because that's where my friends/family are. Facebook sucks, not just because of confusing UI, or because of silent changes to privacy settings, or because it's one stop shopping for scary three-letter-agencies, but because the network effect is so damned strong, it will take a monumental misstep for it to become the next Myspace.
  - gavinpc 10y ago
    > There's a difference between loving Facebook, and begrudgingly using it because that's where my friends/family are. Not to Facebook.
    - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
      Even to Facebook. Coercion - even subtle social coercion - only works up to a point. If you piss off people enough they'll reward you with zero loyalty, no matter how popular you think you are. FB is vulnerable unless it keeps its users very happy. Currently it has a monopoly on a product that's actually quite mediocre and frustrating in many ways, and not seen as particularly cool. If it has to face real competition, it's going to have issues. There are specific times when you can unseat a behemoth, and those times are when new markets and new platforms arrive. How is FB doing in China? How are the Chinese doing with AI, AR/VR, and mobile? Anyone looking at China can see that it's becoming competitive with the US. So far the software markets are largely separate, but I think it's naive to believe that's still going to be true 10-20 years from now.
jamisteven 10y ago
this is common knowledge.
perseusprime11 10y ago
Connectivity is saying he is focused on top of the funnel so he can convert some of them to use Facebook.

by aresant 10y ago

metaphorm 10y ago

um...his vision of the future is 1980s Sci-Fi novels?

aaron-lebo 10y ago

Connectivity, AI, VR? You don't have to be a billionaire to see those being important. Hopefully we'll have a more benevolent entity than Facebook bringing us into that future.

tedmiston 10y ago
You don't, but it helps make it real when you can acquire the best minds in that space.
- duaneb 10y ago
  That's another way of saying you can reinforce delusion with money. It's only positive if it's right.
mpbm 10y ago
Benevolence is over rated. Competitive self-interest is at least verifiably productive.

jazzyk 10y ago

You call the above high-level, vague (and mostly obvious) predictions - "a precise vision"?

mpbm 10y ago
concise, not precise

Animats 10y ago

"[The next computing platform] - I think that's going to be virtual reality and augmented reality." You have to listen to Zuckerberg on this, because he's good at understanding what people will put up with. I never expected that a sizable portion of the population would walk around looking at smartphones, totally losing situational awareness. Even when not playing Pokemon Go. But that became socially acceptable. The failure of Google Glassholes seemed to indicate that artificial reality was going to be socially unacceptable. But Zuckerberg might be able to sell it to society. Microsoft talks about it as an office tool (see their "HoloLens" stuff) but that may be the wrong vision. The right vision may be "Hyperreality".[1] This is a must-see for anybody thinking about artificial reality. These people are much closer to a realistic vision than Microsoft is. (Watch at 1080p if possible.) [1] https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261

moridinamael 10y ago
Google Glass was always too expensive and feature-poor, and there was never at any point a concerted marketing campaigned designed to make you Go Buy It Now. It wasn't the social awkwardness of that product which doomed it, it was Google's decision not to fully commit to it at the time.
gavinpc 10y ago
I agree that's a must watch, but how is it not just HoloLens + 10 years + Ridley Scott (edit plus get me out of here)? It's a bit unfair to compare an artist's vision to a functioning (and almost shipping) device.
- Animats 10y ago
  Technically, this AR hardware [1] could do Hyperreality. Technology isn't the problem. It's "why bother"? Zuckerberg is thinking of AR as a social system. That implies something much more like Hyperreality than Microsoft's system. Remember, there is not, as yet, a killer app for VR, even though good hardware has been available for years now. [1] https://www.metavision.com/ https://www.metavision.com/

jseliger 10y ago

For all the flack that Zuck is getting in this thread It's pretty safe to ignore most of the flack in this thread. Most people vote with their feet (or wallets, or eyeballs, or attention), and they've voted that they love Facebook, regardless of what a minority of people in this thread say or upvote. Nerds have a cantankerous side and are as prone to virtue signalling as any other group. Those of us who read Slashdot ages ago may remember the Microsoft hate it hosted and the way every year was going to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Well, Microsoft is still here; Linux on the desktop is still a minority pursuit; and most people never cared that much about the OS they used. The specific target nerd derision has changed some, but the form of the attack and disdain has not. Any company or country or person's haters is proportionate to its size. Look at what people do and how they behave rather than what they say.

Karunamon 10y ago
There's a difference between loving Facebook, and begrudgingly using it because that's where my friends/family are. Facebook sucks, not just because of confusing UI, or because of silent changes to privacy settings, or because it's one stop shopping for scary three-letter-agencies, but because the network effect is so damned strong, it will take a monumental misstep for it to become the next Myspace.
- gavinpc 10y ago
  > There's a difference between loving Facebook, and begrudgingly using it because that's where my friends/family are. Not to Facebook.
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    Even to Facebook. Coercion - even subtle social coercion - only works up to a point. If you piss off people enough they'll reward you with zero loyalty, no matter how popular you think you are. FB is vulnerable unless it keeps its users very happy. Currently it has a monopoly on a product that's actually quite mediocre and frustrating in many ways, and not seen as particularly cool. If it has to face real competition, it's going to have issues. There are specific times when you can unseat a behemoth, and those times are when new markets and new platforms arrive. How is FB doing in China? How are the Chinese doing with AI, AR/VR, and mobile? Anyone looking at China can see that it's becoming competitive with the US. So far the software markets are largely separate, but I think it's naive to believe that's still going to be true 10-20 years from now.

jamisteven 10y ago

this is common knowledge.

perseusprime11 10y ago

Connectivity is saying he is focused on top of the funnel so he can convert some of them to use Facebook.