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Soylent Bar Has Arrived
- colept 10y agoIf you're curious about cost-effectiveness of their bar vs their drink: Soylent 2.0 Bottle = 400 Calories, ~$29 for 12 bottles (via Amazon) works out to ~166 calories per dollar. Soylent Bar = 250 calories, $24 for 12 bars (via Soylent.com) works out to ~120 calories per dollar.
- misframer 10y agoWhere are you seeing the bottles on Amazon for $28? I see the same price as Soylent.com ($34.00 without a subscription).
- colept 10y agoIf you subscribe and save it works out to $28.90 (updating original comment)
- marricks 10y agoJust one more data point, Soylent powder = 2000 calories per bag, 64 dollars for 7 bags ~ 219 calories per dollar
- readhn 10y agoHow much sugar is in each bar? in grams?
- JimLaheyMD 10y ago6
- cgh 10y agoUses soy protein, making it a non-starter for informed people wanting to build/maintain muscle mass. A McMaster study[1] demonstrated that 20g of soy protein (S20) was as effective at muscle protein synthesis (MPS) as 0g. This bar contain 12g of soy protein, making it about as effective for MPS as plain water. [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22698458?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22698458?dopt=Citation "RESULTS: Whole-body leucine oxidation increased with protein ingestion and was significantly greater for S20 vs. W20 (P = 0.003). Rates of MPS for S20 were less than W20 (P = 0.02) and not different from 0 g (P = 0.41) in both exercised and non-exercised leg muscles. For S40, MPS was also reduced compared with W40 under both rested and post-exercise conditions (both P < 0.005); however S40 increased MPS greater than 0 g under post-exercise conditions (P = 0.04)."
- colept 10y agoIsn't that the point? It's not Muscle Milk or other mass-building replacements.
- dogma1138 10y agoYou do understand your body needs to build muscles every day right? If a large part of your protein intake is based on soy you can quickly start to lose muscle mass which isn't great. It looks like rapid weight loss but you are effectively gaining fat and losing strength.
- marricks 10y agoYou're confusing maintaining muscle with gaining muscle. You don't have any study supporting the claim that you would lose muscle by getting your protein from soy. The only study here says that thirty 70+ year old men didn't gain muscle while taking soy protein isolate.
- Apocryphon 10y agoMost people I've talked to or read about who use Soylent also mix protein powder into it.
- falsestprophet 10y agoThis is interesting. Why would a source of complete amino acids be totally ineffective?
- rjeli 10y agohttp://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein/ http://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid#Relative_amino_acid_composition_of_protein_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid#Relative_... the prevailing theory (which makes sense to me, fwiw) is that protein from meat has a much closer amino acid profile to human muscle compared to protein from plants.
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- donretag 10y agoAs a cyclist that loves to do long solo rides, I often look for nutrient dense foods that are easy to carry. Thirty grams of carbohydrates is better than most energy gels and snacks. $2 per bar is a tad steep considering my normal costs. I might purchase a box if I hear that the flavor is decent (and my current supplies run out).
- wiiittttt 10y agoI would expect it to be relatively flavorless if the bottles are anything to go by.
- JimLaheyMD 10y agoIt says on their site that it is caramel flavored
- revelation 10y agoNot sure where you stand on drinks but I found that gels and bars get expensive really fast if you want to refuel properly for long hard rides, and they're a pain to make yourself. I nowadays just buy bulk maltodextrin, which works out to a dollar for 1000kcal, and mix that with water and an electrolytes tablet.
- donretag 10y agoHow much do you have to carry during your rides? Never used tablets, but I should look into them.
- revelation 10y agoI'll prepare two bottles with (total) 1.2L water and about 500kcal worth of maltodextrin. That carries me for 100k easily but I'll take some bars or gels along for longer rides.
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- glibgil 10y agoThe Soylent drink is silly. Easy, shelf-stable food is not hard to acquire. For a good meal mix the following into a drink. A no-bake bar recipe shouldn't be too difficult to create either. [pea protein](https://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Pea-Protein-Pound/dp/B001DB4MFO/ref=sr_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471375167&sr=8-2&keywords=pea+protein https://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Pea-Protein-Pound/dp/B001DB...) [mct oil](https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-MCT-100%25-Oil/dp/B00KPZXER6/ref=sr_1_7_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1471375195&sr=1-7&keywords=mct+oil&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011 https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-MCT-100%25-Oil/dp/B00KPZXER...) [hemp hearts](https://www.amazon.com/Manitoba-Harvest-Hearts-Shelled-natural/dp/B00856TSCC/ref=sr_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471375339&sr=8-2&keywords=hemp+hearts&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011 https://www.amazon.com/Manitoba-Harvest-Hearts-Shelled-natur...) [peanut butter](https://www.amazon.com/Peanut-Butter-Pure-Pure-Fresh-Ground/dp/B00U2X0Z3W/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471375422&sr=8-1&keywords=fresh+peanut+butter&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011 https://www.amazon.com/Peanut-Butter-Pure-Pure-Fresh-Ground/...) [banana](https://www.amazon.com/produce-aisle-mburring-Bananas-bunch/dp/B000NOGLY2/ref=sr_1_1_a_f_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471375577&sr=8-1&ppw=fresh&keywords=bananas https://www.amazon.com/produce-aisle-mburring-Bananas-bunch/...) Take a vitamin separately: [vitamin](https://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Light-Active-Multivitamin-Tablets/dp/B000EEBWJA/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471375531&sr=8-4&keywords=Rainbow+Light+vitamins&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011 https://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Light-Active-Multivitamin-Tab...)
- colept 10y agoIs this your recipe? Would be interested in the instructions.
- glibgil 10y agoA scope of pea protein, three tablespoons of hemp hearts, a tablespoon of mct oil, a tablespoon of peanut butter, a banana. This works out to about 500 to 600 calories, 45 grams of fat and 45 grams of protein. The carbs (banana) is about 27 grams and the sugar is about 15 grams. Skip the banana if you want to save the carbs for other foods. Blend it with water if you have a blender, but if you don't just mash the banana before peeling it and squeeze the puree into a glass. The rest can be mixed with a spoon. Add a little water on the last sip to get the dregs
- revelation 10y ago40/40/20 carb/fat/protein seems to suggest they didn't really know where to go with this. No point to have the fat for endurance sports, probably too little protein for sports that care about that, no information on the glycemic index for the carbs.
- zackbloom 10y agoI think their goal is to support the average person living a 'normal' life.
- antisthenes 10y agoBut it's too expensive for the calorie intake of the average overweight American.
- nazca 10y agoYeah, I'd really like to see more specialized options for other diets. I'd like to have a ketogenic option.
- SmallBets 10y agoHave they ever addressed concerns about endocrine/hormone disruption from using soy protein so heavily? I steer clear of the stuff with a 10 foot pole.
- forgetsusername 10y agoDo you have any sources for the disturption? I hear this from time to time, but whatever I read points to possible connections relating to very high consumption of soy products. But I'm cautious. I half believe the dairy industry actively spreads the negativity.
- tcoppi 10y agohttp://examine.com/supplements/soy-isoflavones/ http://examine.com/supplements/soy-isoflavones/ Specifically section 9. Also http://examine.com/nutrition/is-soy-good-or-bad-for-me/ http://examine.com/nutrition/is-soy-good-or-bad-for-me/ Based on that and other reading I've done I wouldn't be worried about occasional soy intake, but ingesting every meal of nearly pure soy product as one might if they used Soylent could be cause for concern for males.
- marricks 10y agoJust to highlight what I think is a pretty important point in the source: > Most well-conducted meta-analyses come to similar conclusions. The evidence is too weak or varied to come to the conclusion that 'soy reduces testosterone'. They go on to say that it could be linked, maybe, but probably only for drastic over-consumption. In short, even with study there isn't enough information to come to a real conclusion so effects are probably minimal if at all. Also, interestingly, > The 25g of soy protein a day is consistent with the claim that "Soy protein can reduce occurrence of cardiovascular disease" which is approved by the FDA for products with more than 6.25g soy protein. Which has a ton of sources and supports soy will help most people. The effect may not be huge, but it's more well documented. Over all, it seems people are better off eating more soy.
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- shmerl 10y agoI thought of Make Room! Make Room! / Soylent Green when I saw the title. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room!
- MrZongle2 10y agoGeez, why have an advertising department when the online tech community will do all the heavy lifting? /s If you went by Ars stories and HN links, you'd think the software industry was fueled by Soylent and insect protein.
- habosa 10y agoI wonder if this will make you feel as 'full' as the soylent drink? Generally liquids do a much better job of making you feel full quickly, which would reduce your desire to eat something else.
- Animats 10y agoIt's like Calorie Mate Balanced Food Block, from Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co. That's humanoid chow for Japanese salarymen. Like the Soylent product, it's in very plain packaging. It's not as soy-heavy as Soylent; it has wheat flour and wheat and soy protein. Some milk and egg powder, too. Tastes like shortbread. This is quite successful in Japan, and often found in vending machines. The manufacturer doesn't recommend living entirely on the stuff, though.