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Bullshit. The "decline" of angular hasn't happened, and if it happens it will have nothing to do with OOP and everything to do with its extreme complexity (buil

Bullshit. The "decline" of angular hasn't happened, and if it happens it will have nothing to do with OOP and everything to do with its extreme complexity (build system, dependency injection, view directives, on and on). I know "functional programming" is pretty (popular|trendy), and rightfully so. It's pretty awesome. But it's not a panacea. And it's not helpful to talk about OOP and FP as if they are mutually exclusive let alone opposites. One of the most important principles in programming is to use appropriate abstractions. All UIs are state machines. Classes are state machines. Any attempt to make your UI as stateless as possible is just inviting leaky abstractions.

merb 10y ago
> The "decline" of angular hasn't happened Not the decline but I guess before migration to 2.0 a lot of Users will reevaluate if they will use 2.0. I doubt that only a few already migrated to Angular 2. Tooling gets better but in Angular 1 there are a lot of ways to create a project and minify it etc. On Angular 2 a lot of documentation is still missing. We have a big angular 1 app but I'm not sure if we will migrate to 2.0. I also think that once an Application get's really large it's painful to use a framework that isn't tailored to your needs anyway.
- was_boring 10y ago
  At my job we have a large angular application, and several smaller react + redux + flavor of the month. We will never move to angular 2, not because it's not a good idea, but because we don't need it. One of the most expensive lessons of these framework wars (in my opinion) is that the vast majority of problems don't need them or warrant the complexity. Angular everywhere is the wrong approach, just as react everywhere is wrong. Now if only I could convince the front-end engineers that their static form and homepage doesn't need react + redux + Babel + webpack.
interactiv 10y ago
Huge angular 1.x fan here , still using it. I'm not going to move to 2.x for a few reasons - it's an entire new framework, the only thing in common in the name - typescript : if you need typescript to write your framework you'll write your framework API with typescript in mind, making it harder to use with vanilla Javascript. I don't want to use typescript, at all, I'm a big fan of statically typed languages ... on the server. I'm sick of these complex asset pipelines on the client. Node isn't that fast so compilation isn't fast either. In my book ,the decline of Angular has happened, nothing justifies a complete different framework. They could have back-ported a lot of ideas in 1.x . 2.x suffers from the second system syndrome and I see very little practical enhancements and features worth switching.
jsmith0295 10y ago
Complexity is definitely a barrier for Angular 2 where I work. We use Angular 1 almost exclusively for our existing applications, but are most likely going to be continuing to use Angular 1 and migrating towards React rather than learning Angular 2. We already began using Redux so it's a much easier transition for us. I absolutely agree with you on the use of appropriate abstractions. One of our UI developers is a huge FP advocate and wrote large portions of our biggest frontend codebase using Ramda, and its basically incomprehensible to the majority of our engineers. I even though it was cool to begin with, but seeing the shape its taken at scale I regret it 100%.

merb 10y ago

> The "decline" of angular hasn't happened Not the decline but I guess before migration to 2.0 a lot of Users will reevaluate if they will use 2.0. I doubt that only a few already migrated to Angular 2. Tooling gets better but in Angular 1 there are a lot of ways to create a project and minify it etc. On Angular 2 a lot of documentation is still missing. We have a big angular 1 app but I'm not sure if we will migrate to 2.0. I also think that once an Application get's really large it's painful to use a framework that isn't tailored to your needs anyway.

was_boring 10y ago
At my job we have a large angular application, and several smaller react + redux + flavor of the month. We will never move to angular 2, not because it's not a good idea, but because we don't need it. One of the most expensive lessons of these framework wars (in my opinion) is that the vast majority of problems don't need them or warrant the complexity. Angular everywhere is the wrong approach, just as react everywhere is wrong. Now if only I could convince the front-end engineers that their static form and homepage doesn't need react + redux + Babel + webpack.

interactiv 10y ago

Huge angular 1.x fan here , still using it. I'm not going to move to 2.x for a few reasons - it's an entire new framework, the only thing in common in the name - typescript : if you need typescript to write your framework you'll write your framework API with typescript in mind, making it harder to use with vanilla Javascript. I don't want to use typescript, at all, I'm a big fan of statically typed languages ... on the server. I'm sick of these complex asset pipelines on the client. Node isn't that fast so compilation isn't fast either. In my book ,the decline of Angular has happened, nothing justifies a complete different framework. They could have back-ported a lot of ideas in 1.x . 2.x suffers from the second system syndrome and I see very little practical enhancements and features worth switching.

jsmith0295 10y ago

Complexity is definitely a barrier for Angular 2 where I work. We use Angular 1 almost exclusively for our existing applications, but are most likely going to be continuing to use Angular 1 and migrating towards React rather than learning Angular 2. We already began using Redux so it's a much easier transition for us. I absolutely agree with you on the use of appropriate abstractions. One of our UI developers is a huge FP advocate and wrote large portions of our biggest frontend codebase using Ramda, and its basically incomprehensible to the majority of our engineers. I even though it was cool to begin with, but seeing the shape its taken at scale I regret it 100%.