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On the flip side, I just interviewed two candidates claiming 10 and 16 years of experience for a "Senior DevOps" position. Neither of them could tell me what a

On the flip side, I just interviewed two candidates claiming 10 and 16 years of experience for a "Senior DevOps" position. Neither of them could tell me what a default route was - one of them spewed some nonsense buzzwords and the other one thought it might have something to do with DNS.

benjaminwootton 10y ago
DevOps doesn't imply network knowledge. It can include CI/CD, dev tooling, automation, containers, cloud engineering etc. Just saying in case you and your candidates have a different idea of the role you are hiring for.
- zandor 10y ago
  I'd say that network knowledge is a key part of the Ops part of DevOps (especially when talking about cloud engineering). But that is what you get with great buzzwords like DevOps.
mugsie 10y ago
DevOps is a culture not a job. Most good candidates know this, and will actively avoid "DevOps" roles. Now someone claiming 10 - 16 years experience as a DevOp, is : A: Lying. The term is 6-7 years old B: If they have even been using / administering computers for that long should know what a default route is. Could they have misinterpreted the question? I know the even at a senior level, interviewees can get flustered and confuse themselves.
- markatto 10y ago
  I didn't write the job title/posting, but the description makes it clear that strong linux and programming skills are required. These folks have 10+ years of "software engineer" and "systems administrator" jobs on their resumes, they're not claiming specific "devops" experience. I just talked to two more similar folks and I'm starting to despair at the state of the industry. What job title would you suggest to find people with a working knowledge of programming, config management, and infrastructure/systems internals? If all you can do is copy-paste jenkins tutorials off of the internet, you're not a "senior" anything.

benjaminwootton 10y ago

DevOps doesn't imply network knowledge. It can include CI/CD, dev tooling, automation, containers, cloud engineering etc. Just saying in case you and your candidates have a different idea of the role you are hiring for.

zandor 10y ago
I'd say that network knowledge is a key part of the Ops part of DevOps (especially when talking about cloud engineering). But that is what you get with great buzzwords like DevOps.

mugsie 10y ago

DevOps is a culture not a job. Most good candidates know this, and will actively avoid "DevOps" roles. Now someone claiming 10 - 16 years experience as a DevOp, is : A: Lying. The term is 6-7 years old B: If they have even been using / administering computers for that long should know what a default route is. Could they have misinterpreted the question? I know the even at a senior level, interviewees can get flustered and confuse themselves.

markatto 10y ago
I didn't write the job title/posting, but the description makes it clear that strong linux and programming skills are required. These folks have 10+ years of "software engineer" and "systems administrator" jobs on their resumes, they're not claiming specific "devops" experience. I just talked to two more similar folks and I'm starting to despair at the state of the industry. What job title would you suggest to find people with a working knowledge of programming, config management, and infrastructure/systems internals? If all you can do is copy-paste jenkins tutorials off of the internet, you're not a "senior" anything.