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Poisoning the well, are we? Tunderf00t's youtube channel may seem to be a product of complete lunatic, but is actually an result of years of antagonisation bet

by Ralfp 10y ago

Poisoning the well, are we? Tunderf00t's youtube channel may seem to be a product of complete lunatic, but is actually an result of years of antagonisation between members of the community that used to be very close but underwent falling out due to internal agendas and opinions on what their community actually should be.

jshevek 10y ago
Yes, in my opinion the parent is trying to poison the well while saying "I'm not poisoning the well", then saying "How dare you suggest I'm poisoning the well when I actually said I wasn't poisoning the well".
thringsaround 10y ago
If I were discrediting the channel as a means to discredit the video or its content, that might be poisoning the well. But the content is (god, I hope) not at issue. Discrediting the channel on its own merits is more of a "hey look, poison!" Anyway. I'm comfortable that a reasonable person can page through YouTube, Google some names, and determine that no sort of reciprocity is going on here. If they care. The revisionism is annoying, but fortunately the "community" to which you refer is structured around providing "context" that, to dispassionate observers, merely proves the point.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > If I were discrediting the channel as a means to discredit the video or its content If that's not your intent, you're just making personal attacks on the creator as a complete non-sequitur to the thread, which is even more of an inappropriate abuse of the HN audience than well-poisoning would be.
  - thringsaround 10y ago
    You're getting out of bounds. If you think my comments here are irrelevant or abusive, please report them to a moderator and desist replying. Otherwise, I'm here to talk if you are.
  - jshevek 10y ago
    > as a complete non-sequitur to the thread, Yes, exactly. They say themselves: "They could be right, they could be wrong, better engineers than me will tell in the end." They have no interest in the topic at hand, just poisoning the well, then defending their thinly veiled well-poisoning.
    - thringsaround 10y ago
      Sorry, can you clarify from elsewhere-- am I trying to discredit the topic at hand, or do I have no interest in it? I know it doesn't really make a big difference to your narrative, but you really need to pick one or the other of "political non-sequitur" and "interested well-poisoning". They just don't go together.
      - jshevek 10y ago
        One cannot discredit a 'topic'
        thringsaround 10y ago
        am I debating an ELIZA upgrade
- jshevek 10y ago
  It should be obvious to every honest person that the other content of Thunderf00t's channel is irrelevant to the claims being made in his video about the hyperloop.
  - thringsaround 10y ago
    So? I've said a few times I don't care about the claims. They could be right, they could be wrong, better engineers than me will tell in the end. So what? Saying something true doesn't create an obligation to listen. In fact, if you say enough true things loudly enough, they'll cart you off to jail. It's really not a great argument.

by Ralfp 10y ago

jshevek 10y ago

Yes, in my opinion the parent is trying to poison the well while saying "I'm not poisoning the well", then saying "How dare you suggest I'm poisoning the well when I actually said I wasn't poisoning the well".

thringsaround 10y ago

If I were discrediting the channel as a means to discredit the video or its content, that might be poisoning the well. But the content is (god, I hope) not at issue. Discrediting the channel on its own merits is more of a "hey look, poison!" Anyway. I'm comfortable that a reasonable person can page through YouTube, Google some names, and determine that no sort of reciprocity is going on here. If they care. The revisionism is annoying, but fortunately the "community" to which you refer is structured around providing "context" that, to dispassionate observers, merely proves the point.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> If I were discrediting the channel as a means to discredit the video or its content If that's not your intent, you're just making personal attacks on the creator as a complete non-sequitur to the thread, which is even more of an inappropriate abuse of the HN audience than well-poisoning would be.
- thringsaround 10y ago
  You're getting out of bounds. If you think my comments here are irrelevant or abusive, please report them to a moderator and desist replying. Otherwise, I'm here to talk if you are.
- jshevek 10y ago
  > as a complete non-sequitur to the thread, Yes, exactly. They say themselves: "They could be right, they could be wrong, better engineers than me will tell in the end." They have no interest in the topic at hand, just poisoning the well, then defending their thinly veiled well-poisoning.
  - thringsaround 10y ago
    Sorry, can you clarify from elsewhere-- am I trying to discredit the topic at hand, or do I have no interest in it? I know it doesn't really make a big difference to your narrative, but you really need to pick one or the other of "political non-sequitur" and "interested well-poisoning". They just don't go together.
    - jshevek 10y ago
      One cannot discredit a 'topic'
      - thringsaround 10y ago
        am I debating an ELIZA upgrade
jshevek 10y ago
It should be obvious to every honest person that the other content of Thunderf00t's channel is irrelevant to the claims being made in his video about the hyperloop.
- thringsaround 10y ago
  So? I've said a few times I don't care about the claims. They could be right, they could be wrong, better engineers than me will tell in the end. So what? Saying something true doesn't create an obligation to listen. In fact, if you say enough true things loudly enough, they'll cart you off to jail. It's really not a great argument.