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> strict hiragana character set are readable by natives because they're already fluent in speaking This is an argument for spending more time trying to become
by redthrow 10y ago
> strict hiragana character set are readable by natives because they're already fluent in speaking
This is an argument for spending more time trying to become fluent in speaking (by learning vocab/grammar/etc) than spending time learning how to draw a bunch of characters.
The use of spaces would be necessary if Japan were to switch to kana, and that's one of the 3 things Kanamoji-kai recommends as well:
http://kanamozi.org/hikari958-08_kanamozibun-kakikata.pdf http://kanamozi.org/hikari958-08_kanamozibun-kakikata.pdf
Without spaces kana-only writing would be hard to read for most native speakers.
I honestly don't see any issue in not teaching kanji in Japanese classes, any more than not teaching cursive writing or Latin in English classes. They are just not essential. (Please do not start a lecture on how Latin helps you understand English.)
> ethnocentric dream of the languge one day being romanized
I'm not saying Japan should switch to romaji. I think in Japan's case kana would be much more realistic.
Also, I'm not advocating abolishing kanji either (people should be able to write kanji all day everyday if that's what they want to do).
I just want the government to (a) stop teaching kanji in public schools, and (b) mandate the use of kana (or some other phonetic writing system) in government documents.
I don't see how it's "ethnocentric". For most non-native speakers it's much easier to learn this way. Only non-native Japanese learners I've met who found it "easier to read" kana-kanji writing were people who already knew kanji e.g. Chinese people who were learning Japanese & were not fluent in speaking. The true of the matter is they were just familiar with the characters and they often didn't even know how to pronounce the words.
- garfieldnate 10y agoI have to agree with T-R. Japanese is much easier to read with Kanji. If you run into a kanji you don't know, that's too bad, but I run into words I don't know in English, too. You just look it up. English spelling is just as complicated, in my opinion. Also, "stop teaching kanji in public schools" is pretty much the same as abolishing kanji.
- redthrow 10y agoYou read my conversation with T-R and your takeaway is I think teaching kanji to beginners is a bad idea because "I run into a kanji I don't know"? Please. > English spelling is just as complicated, in my opinion That's a separate issue, but I agree with you to some extent. Here's a Feynman quote (which I agree with 100%): If the professors of English will complain to me that the students who come to the universities, after all those years of study, still cannot spell "friend," I say to them that something's the matter with the way you spell friend. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman > "stop teaching kanji in public schools" is pretty much the same as abolishing kanji I don't think so. There are many things that aren't taught in public schools but taught in private classes (calligraphy/ikebana/yoga/etc). It's good that people who care about these cultures enjoy them in their own time and other people are left alone and not being forced to learn something they think has a low ROI. If kanji is such a good idea as you claim, it will survive and thrive without government coercion, don't you think?