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Disclaimer: Contrary opinion that might not be yours I'm building AIs and intelligent botnets for over 13 years now. One thing I learned is that I now think hu

Disclaimer: Contrary opinion that might not be yours I'm building AIs and intelligent botnets for over 13 years now. One thing I learned is that I now think humans can't understand mathematics. No matter how good you think you are, a simple AI algorithm will proof you wrong. From physics, to algorithms, to simulations, to automation, to analysis - and in evolutionary AIs also the solution generation for a problem. Every single scientific mathematical model that occured in my life was in an "imperfect" state where humans think that our current "model of things" in form of mathematics is correct while it's totally incomplete and a few days of AI simulation figured out a better way to do it. I somehow see mathematics not as a knowledge pool; more like a serialization format for transferring knowledge. And I think that serialization format often is too complicated for other humans to be understood and therefore has bias in interpretation and resulting conclusion errors. And I personally think that this is a bad thing and a problem that needs to be fixed desperately.

tgb 10y ago
> Every single scientific mathematical model that occured in my life was in an "imperfect" state where humans think that our current "model of things" in form of mathematics is correct while it's totally incomplete and a few days of AI simulation figured out a better way to do it. I don't think I understand your claim and I'm rather skeptical of what you seem to be saying, so can you give three examples?
jamez1 10y ago
An algorithm has limits that humans don't, as Godel's incompleteness theorems prove. The study of mathematics is communicating some deep logic, but it doesn't end there as you trivialize. It's not just some poetry that we memorize, but it's a new insight to the nature of everything.
- mroll 10y ago
  Godels incompleteness theorem says that no formal system can prove or contain all truthy theorems. It says nothing about humans being immune to this effect, which it seems to me your comment is implying

tgb 10y ago

> Every single scientific mathematical model that occured in my life was in an "imperfect" state where humans think that our current "model of things" in form of mathematics is correct while it's totally incomplete and a few days of AI simulation figured out a better way to do it. I don't think I understand your claim and I'm rather skeptical of what you seem to be saying, so can you give three examples?

jamez1 10y ago

An algorithm has limits that humans don't, as Godel's incompleteness theorems prove. The study of mathematics is communicating some deep logic, but it doesn't end there as you trivialize. It's not just some poetry that we memorize, but it's a new insight to the nature of everything.

mroll 10y ago
Godels incompleteness theorem says that no formal system can prove or contain all truthy theorems. It says nothing about humans being immune to this effect, which it seems to me your comment is implying