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I actively avoid anything Islam-related (I'm in France). It may sound racist (and it may be) but France seems to be actively denying my identity as a Christian.

by tajen 10y ago

I actively avoid anything Islam-related (I'm in France). It may sound racist (and it may be) but France seems to be actively denying my identity as a Christian. As a side note, there are about 55% Christians and 7% Muslims in France. We've been removing any reference to Christianity in state-related documents - which is fine but let's see some examples: Christmas holidays are renamed "End-of-year Holidays", just like Easter holidays are now "Spring holidays", and we're removing Christian days off here and there. Street names are renamed, churches aren't always maintained by Christian-adverse mayors. On the other side, every vegetable mix is now a "tajin", often halal, the state is funding Mosques, and our streets fill up with women with the foulard (that thing to hide hair), our beaches with women in burkini, and males have Arabic dresses and beards. When there is some sand on the floor, you'd believe you were on the other side of the Mediterranean. Upon football matches, they burn the French flag. Most leftish people insist that we should encourage this because "tolerance" (Fraternité). At the same time when they're introduced to a Christian they go on and on about priests raping kids and the Spanish inquisition. Ok, I get it, as a Christian I'm a murderer, and television headline news enjoy a lot conveying arguments against Christian representants. I have the feeling that tolerance, mutual understanding and equality of chances only goes towards the 7% Muslims. Same goes for women. Someone else in the thread pointed to a link which "10 sexist things", saying they didn't see them as sexist. I don't know, if there are fewer women in IT, it could also be that programming is hard and few people can live the life of a good programmer. Meanwhile all girls of my Engineering school were promoted way before men, and get a better salary than men I know, while having usually less technical knowledge. It doesn't match the usual message that feminists tell, but stats aren't built to find such results. Once again equality only strikes one way and women don't have to work as hard as men to succeed. So how can we stop harassing the white, the Christian, the male, the hard workers? Do I really have to vote for that extremist party, or could women and Muslims have a bit of tolerance and check we still have an equality of work/results ratio even though we're white? Goes back to running my own company, because I was never promoted while employed

tajen 10y ago
Replying to myself: It feels very strange receiving 5 upvotes for the comment above. My speech wasn't particularly open-minded nor generous, although it could be shared by others, and I was rather expecting to be shown another perspective about the topic. It feels like I'm stealing from the evil's upvotes ;)
omginternets 10y ago
T'inquiète, t'es pas le seul à être frustré... For non-French readers, it should be mentioned that the degree of political-correctness in France often exceeds that of the united states, especially in the capital. It's quite hard to imagine for those who haven't encountered it. Regarding feminism, I think the problem is that internet-feminism (and indeed, most forms of feminism you see in the media) represent a very specific and strange brand thereof. Namely, it's a very vocal sliver of 3rd-wave American feminism, which appart from it's mind-boggling ethnocentricity, has it's roots in a very misandrous circle of American lesbian thinkers (or rabble-rousers, depending on your perspective). I should, of course, mention that I have no quarrel with the bulk of lesbians, American or otherwise. In particular, this group is characterized by the ascetic rejection of biology as an explanatory factor for ... well... anything related to observed sex differences. Otherwise stated, they assume that all observed differences between men and women must stem from social injustice -- biology can have no role whatsoever, here. To claim otherwise is quickly met with accusations of essentialism, or worse. As an interesting aside, I'm "surprised" they haven't taken up the cause of getting more men into nursing... Lest this be interpreted as a rant, my point is twofold: - The climate of political correctness in France is increasingly suffocating to the majority, and this in a climate of repeated bloodshed perpetrated by "a certain group that must not be named". The tension is palpable, and the majority (it seems to me) feels increasingly alienated, if not outright invaded. I'm not saying it's a fair assessment, but rather that the phenomenon exists, and will likely inform some very concrete changes in policy. - Feminism is not fundamentally insane and I think sexism does exist. I also think its effects are vastly overstated by the profoundly anti-intellectual demagogues that have hijacked the feminist movement. By and large, I find the intellectual and moral substance of mainstream American feminism to be appallingly weak, and frighteningly zealous.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Regarding feminism, I think the problem is that internet-feminism (and indeed, most forms of feminism you see in the media) represent a very specific and strange brand thereof. "Internet feminism" represents pretty much the entire range of feminism; if you disproportionately perceive some particular segment, its probably because you have a disproportionate reaction to it. > As an interesting aside, I'm "surprised" they haven't taken up the cause of getting more men into nursing... I'm surprised you think that they haven't taken up the issue of men in nursing , since its been a fairly common theme in feminist circles (including on the internet) for quite a number of years, including especially the idea that the lack of men in the field is directly tied to the same gender stereotyping that leads to disrespect for the field as "women's work". (And, frequently, this discussion also treats it as a failing of early waves of feminism that this issue was neglected in the past.) See, among others: http://feminismnursing.blogspot.com/ http://feminismnursing.blogspot.com/ http://minoritynurse.com/rethinking-gender-stereotypes-in-nursing/ http://minoritynurse.com/rethinking-gender-stereotypes-in-nu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238127 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238127

by tajen 10y ago

tajen 10y ago

Replying to myself: It feels very strange receiving 5 upvotes for the comment above. My speech wasn't particularly open-minded nor generous, although it could be shared by others, and I was rather expecting to be shown another perspective about the topic. It feels like I'm stealing from the evil's upvotes ;)

omginternets 10y ago

T'inquiète, t'es pas le seul à être frustré... For non-French readers, it should be mentioned that the degree of political-correctness in France often exceeds that of the united states, especially in the capital. It's quite hard to imagine for those who haven't encountered it. Regarding feminism, I think the problem is that internet-feminism (and indeed, most forms of feminism you see in the media) represent a very specific and strange brand thereof. Namely, it's a very vocal sliver of 3rd-wave American feminism, which appart from it's mind-boggling ethnocentricity, has it's roots in a very misandrous circle of American lesbian thinkers (or rabble-rousers, depending on your perspective). I should, of course, mention that I have no quarrel with the bulk of lesbians, American or otherwise. In particular, this group is characterized by the ascetic rejection of biology as an explanatory factor for ... well... anything related to observed sex differences. Otherwise stated, they assume that all observed differences between men and women must stem from social injustice -- biology can have no role whatsoever, here. To claim otherwise is quickly met with accusations of essentialism, or worse. As an interesting aside, I'm "surprised" they haven't taken up the cause of getting more men into nursing... Lest this be interpreted as a rant, my point is twofold: - The climate of political correctness in France is increasingly suffocating to the majority, and this in a climate of repeated bloodshed perpetrated by "a certain group that must not be named". The tension is palpable, and the majority (it seems to me) feels increasingly alienated, if not outright invaded. I'm not saying it's a fair assessment, but rather that the phenomenon exists, and will likely inform some very concrete changes in policy. - Feminism is not fundamentally insane and I think sexism does exist. I also think its effects are vastly overstated by the profoundly anti-intellectual demagogues that have hijacked the feminist movement. By and large, I find the intellectual and moral substance of mainstream American feminism to be appallingly weak, and frighteningly zealous.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Regarding feminism, I think the problem is that internet-feminism (and indeed, most forms of feminism you see in the media) represent a very specific and strange brand thereof. "Internet feminism" represents pretty much the entire range of feminism; if you disproportionately perceive some particular segment, its probably because you have a disproportionate reaction to it. > As an interesting aside, I'm "surprised" they haven't taken up the cause of getting more men into nursing... I'm surprised you think that they haven't taken up the issue of men in nursing , since its been a fairly common theme in feminist circles (including on the internet) for quite a number of years, including especially the idea that the lack of men in the field is directly tied to the same gender stereotyping that leads to disrespect for the field as "women's work". (And, frequently, this discussion also treats it as a failing of early waves of feminism that this issue was neglected in the past.) See, among others: http://feminismnursing.blogspot.com/ http://feminismnursing.blogspot.com/ http://minoritynurse.com/rethinking-gender-stereotypes-in-nursing/ http://minoritynurse.com/rethinking-gender-stereotypes-in-nu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238127 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238127