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It could easily be rigged without a papertrail or having to show ID to vote.

• ethanbond 10y ago
  What on earth makes you think IDs are secure? Have you been near a college campus anytime... I don't know... Ever?
  • ams6110 10y ago
    Faking IDs on a scale necessary to influence a presidential election, without being detected, would be a bit more difficult.
    • ethanbond 10y ago
      Uh yeah, because it's impossible to manipulate an election from the voting booth under basically any circumstances. That's why ID laws make no sense. The physical ID manufacturing isn't the hard part and never would be. It's finding the identity you're masquerading as and then actually standing in line at a voting booth.
      • vaadu 10y ago
        The ID process doesn't have to be perfect, just effective enough to curtail most attempts at fraud. If ID didn't work why do so many other nations require it for voting and why does the US use it for buying a beer. http://www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2016/08/Mandella-Register-copy.jpg http://www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2016/08/Mandella-Regi...
        • ethanbond 10y ago
          Once you prove that more fraudulent votes than authorized votes would be prevented by ID laws I'd be glad to implement such a system.
      • ktRolster 10y ago
        it's impossible to manipulate an election from the voting booth under basically any circumstances. That's just a lack of creativity. A popular mechanism in the past was the false-bottom ballot box (the man who first brought that to SF in the 1800s was rewarded handsomely, reported by Irving Stone). You can have ghost voters, for example. People registered at addresses that don't exist, then bus people from precinct to precinct voting multiple times. Also, people register to vote in two different places: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2004/10/people_who_vote_twice.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/200... I have seen foreigners vote with my own eyes. I don't know how common that is (or any of it is, actually), but that is something that happens.
        • XorNot 10y ago
          I have seen foreigners vote with my own eyes. How could you possibly know they're not entitled to vote? Did you know them personally? Were you aware fully of their immigration status?
          • ktRolster 10y ago
            How could you possibly know they're not entitled to vote? You listed two possible ways in your post.
            • XorNot 10y ago
              Which you didn't seem to think were relevant to list while making your claim. And which are both odd things to "just know" about a person. Did they say one day "oh yeah, I voted illegally lol"? Doesn't seem like the type of thing which comes up in conversation easily. EDIT: To be clear, I am asking specifically how you know you saw people who were ineligible to vote voting. A follow up would also be why you observed this and didn't tell anyone.
              • ktRolster 10y ago
                To be honest, I don't know you at all. If you don't believe me, if you think I'm lying, that's fine.