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Zepp's Last Stand (1979)

36 points by lermontov 10y ago

willcate 10y ago
Was disappointed to find that this is not about Led Zeppelin
- WalterBright 10y ago
  Found what you're looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    Indeed! I thought for sure it was going to be about Knebworth! I went for Kashmir though to nurse my disappointment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOmK-4y9EE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOmK-4y9EE Top of their game there.
- david-given 10y ago
  Was disappointed to find that this is not about Captain Zep, Space Detective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkaigGXtis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkaigGXtis
DiabloD3 10y ago
Stuff like this makes me ashamed of my country. You cannot send people to die against their will in a war that makes no sense whatsoever. WWI is considered the worst war in history, both sides deploying weapons that were later just flat out banned as immoral, and drove insane a man that later became the Chancellor of Germany... and we know how that turned out. We've seen the photos of soldiers suffering from being shell shocked in the trenches. All of them came home broken, just in different ways. We had no right to ever ask that of them. And what is the use of a soldier that objects? In the end, he will not follow orders, he will hesitate, and he will die. War has no place in modern society, and we knew that 102 years ago. We knew it 77 years ago. We knew it 66 years ago. We knew it 60 years ago. We knew it 26 years ago. We knew it 15 years ago. We knew it 13 years ago. And since we invented a new enemy, Isis, we will know it again in the next few years. We keep wasting lives, we keep wasting money, and we keep the military industrial complex alive when it should be put down like a rabid dog. The enemy of today is not a foreign country ready to attack us: the enemy of today is civil unrest, the enemy of today is the cost of education, and the cost of living, and the cost of having such a broken inefficient system throw everyone under the fucking bus. And you know what most people are doing right now? Arguing which turd is shiniest so we can catapult them into the White House instead of a prison cell? Those soldiers died to protect what? Because I sure as hell don't fucking know anymore.
- hawkice 10y ago
  You could say other people's problems are their own. You could say America does more harm than good, or that we back the wrong horse or have no standards or don't uphold public good. All those are points you could make. But, you asked what they'd die to protect if we fought ISIL. This is not an absurd question. In the case of ISIL, soldiers would die to protect the innocent civilians of Iraq and Syria, who are basically good people, and protecting everyone in the world from a group that uses videos of brutal execution-style murders as viral marketing from getting access to weapons of mass destruction, which are definitely not far away (Syria has had chemical weapons facilities captured before). That's not a bad thing to risk your life over. Stopping the Nazis 77 years ago was also a pretty defensible thing to do, not sure why you're using that as one of your examples wars that make "no sense whatsoever".
- WhitneyLand 10y ago
  How can you be ashamed of a country that is one of the greatest examples of free living and free thought in the history of mankind? Yes we are imperfect, and must reflect accountably on our morale transgressions. Being honest about our wrongs should not prevent us from being a proud country. If you are ashamed of the US, how many countries could you be proud of?
- icantdrive55 10y ago
  I'm tired of even debating war. I just want a draft. A draft for all. You can't get out of it for because your in school, rich, or female. The only out would be a disability. Those disability doctors would be highly scrutinized for any sign of corruption by the FBI. If Chelsea Clinton was required to serve, or Trump's spoiled brats had to walk into a hot zone; I don't think we would see another war for a long time. (I once had a nephew want to join the Army. I took him to Tiburon, CA for a day of just people watching. It was a sunny day. Even the locals were out. On the way in I was pulled over because I drive an old car, and had long hair at the time. My inner voice said great! We sat in the park, but I wanted him to get a first had seat for the show. Basically a show of people, and their spawn with way too much money. On the way home, I asked him, "You would die for these people?" Well my ploy didn't do much, but he did join the Navy instead of the Army.)

36 points by lermontov 10y ago

willcate 10y ago

Was disappointed to find that this is not about Led Zeppelin

WalterBright 10y ago
Found what you're looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw
- bogomipz 10y ago
  Indeed! I thought for sure it was going to be about Knebworth! I went for Kashmir though to nurse my disappointment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOmK-4y9EE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOmK-4y9EE Top of their game there.
david-given 10y ago
Was disappointed to find that this is not about Captain Zep, Space Detective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkaigGXtis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkaigGXtis

DiabloD3 10y ago

Stuff like this makes me ashamed of my country. You cannot send people to die against their will in a war that makes no sense whatsoever. WWI is considered the worst war in history, both sides deploying weapons that were later just flat out banned as immoral, and drove insane a man that later became the Chancellor of Germany... and we know how that turned out. We've seen the photos of soldiers suffering from being shell shocked in the trenches. All of them came home broken, just in different ways. We had no right to ever ask that of them. And what is the use of a soldier that objects? In the end, he will not follow orders, he will hesitate, and he will die. War has no place in modern society, and we knew that 102 years ago. We knew it 77 years ago. We knew it 66 years ago. We knew it 60 years ago. We knew it 26 years ago. We knew it 15 years ago. We knew it 13 years ago. And since we invented a new enemy, Isis, we will know it again in the next few years. We keep wasting lives, we keep wasting money, and we keep the military industrial complex alive when it should be put down like a rabid dog. The enemy of today is not a foreign country ready to attack us: the enemy of today is civil unrest, the enemy of today is the cost of education, and the cost of living, and the cost of having such a broken inefficient system throw everyone under the fucking bus. And you know what most people are doing right now? Arguing which turd is shiniest so we can catapult them into the White House instead of a prison cell? Those soldiers died to protect what? Because I sure as hell don't fucking know anymore.

hawkice 10y ago
You could say other people's problems are their own. You could say America does more harm than good, or that we back the wrong horse or have no standards or don't uphold public good. All those are points you could make. But, you asked what they'd die to protect if we fought ISIL. This is not an absurd question. In the case of ISIL, soldiers would die to protect the innocent civilians of Iraq and Syria, who are basically good people, and protecting everyone in the world from a group that uses videos of brutal execution-style murders as viral marketing from getting access to weapons of mass destruction, which are definitely not far away (Syria has had chemical weapons facilities captured before). That's not a bad thing to risk your life over. Stopping the Nazis 77 years ago was also a pretty defensible thing to do, not sure why you're using that as one of your examples wars that make "no sense whatsoever".
WhitneyLand 10y ago
How can you be ashamed of a country that is one of the greatest examples of free living and free thought in the history of mankind? Yes we are imperfect, and must reflect accountably on our morale transgressions. Being honest about our wrongs should not prevent us from being a proud country. If you are ashamed of the US, how many countries could you be proud of?
icantdrive55 10y ago
I'm tired of even debating war. I just want a draft. A draft for all. You can't get out of it for because your in school, rich, or female. The only out would be a disability. Those disability doctors would be highly scrutinized for any sign of corruption by the FBI. If Chelsea Clinton was required to serve, or Trump's spoiled brats had to walk into a hot zone; I don't think we would see another war for a long time. (I once had a nephew want to join the Army. I took him to Tiburon, CA for a day of just people watching. It was a sunny day. Even the locals were out. On the way in I was pulled over because I drive an old car, and had long hair at the time. My inner voice said great! We sat in the park, but I wanted him to get a first had seat for the show. Basically a show of people, and their spawn with way too much money. On the way home, I asked him, "You would die for these people?" Well my ploy didn't do much, but he did join the Navy instead of the Army.)