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I think the issue Solid attempts to address is ownership of your data, but as people suggest below if the data is readily available via API how much have you re

I think the issue Solid attempts to address is ownership of your data, but as people suggest below if the data is readily available via API how much have you really gained? Facebook will simply write a web crawler that downloads all your data because it's public anyway. What seems to be missing is the web-of-trust component that controls who sees what data and in what context; i.e. your data shouldn't really be public but protected and limited by roles you control. The wedge will then of course be Facebook paying Facebook customers to mine data by subverting trust relationships. There doesn't seem to be a simple fix for sharing of data once it leaves your system. You can't tag it and encrypt it so only friends / family / whomever may read it, and if you could there's no way to prevent the unencrypted data's use. The only way to retain your privacy is never sharing the data in the first place. You may substitute Facebook with the name of the datamining and marketing company of your choice.

chriswarbo 10y ago
> if the data is readily available via API how much have you really gained? Facebook will simply write a web crawler that downloads all your data because it's public anyway. I don't really care what companies like Facebook do with such publically-accessible data, since I don't use any of their services anyway. What I would gain is access to such data, which I'm currently excluded from by their silo's EULAs.
- technofiend 10y ago
  I hear you, but I do care what is done with my data. We're just different use cases. You don't directly use any of Facebook's services, but if you surf the web without some very strict cookie management I guarantee Facebook collects data about you. You're part of their service even if you're not a customer.
  - chriswarbo 10y ago
    > if you surf the web without some very strict cookie management I guarantee Facebook collects data about you. Unfortunately you're right. I block as many Facebook domains as possible in my hosts file, and browse with noscript, ublock, w3m, etc. to try and keep their tracking to a minimum. > You're part of their service even if you're not a customer. It's disturbing that Facebook gathers information on almost everyone. It's even more disturbing that so many people sign up for an account, and spend so much time providing so much more information. In reality very few people are actually customers of Facebook, as in, perform financial transactions with them.
thinkcontext 10y ago
The idea is that with Solid like in Facebook you can define how much each group of people get to see. Your close friends can see a lot, acquaintances can see a little, and the general public can see not much or none. So companies would need your permission to be able to scrape in the manner you described.
- artificial 10y ago
  In this example all they would hypothetically need is access to someone who could see the info, the friends in this case. How? Incentivize the behavior. To be fair I'm a proponent of SOLID and decentralization. Controlling things once they've left you is quite a challenge.
- technofiend 10y ago
  Among other things the reason I quit facebook is because of people who have no problem trading my information for their gain. I got tired of blocking requests from an aunt addicted to farmville, for instance. She's exactly who I had in mind when I said people will subvert controls I put in place for their own benefit. She'd happily click a button that downloaded all my data shared to her with Facebook if it meant an extra in game reward. But do I want to block her from all my updates? Not really. However given the choice of doing that and sharing my data I quite facebook. I realize not everyone is the same.

chriswarbo 10y ago

> if the data is readily available via API how much have you really gained? Facebook will simply write a web crawler that downloads all your data because it's public anyway. I don't really care what companies like Facebook do with such publically-accessible data, since I don't use any of their services anyway. What I would gain is access to such data, which I'm currently excluded from by their silo's EULAs.

technofiend 10y ago
I hear you, but I do care what is done with my data. We're just different use cases. You don't directly use any of Facebook's services, but if you surf the web without some very strict cookie management I guarantee Facebook collects data about you. You're part of their service even if you're not a customer.
- chriswarbo 10y ago
  > if you surf the web without some very strict cookie management I guarantee Facebook collects data about you. Unfortunately you're right. I block as many Facebook domains as possible in my hosts file, and browse with noscript, ublock, w3m, etc. to try and keep their tracking to a minimum. > You're part of their service even if you're not a customer. It's disturbing that Facebook gathers information on almost everyone. It's even more disturbing that so many people sign up for an account, and spend so much time providing so much more information. In reality very few people are actually customers of Facebook, as in, perform financial transactions with them.

thinkcontext 10y ago

The idea is that with Solid like in Facebook you can define how much each group of people get to see. Your close friends can see a lot, acquaintances can see a little, and the general public can see not much or none. So companies would need your permission to be able to scrape in the manner you described.

artificial 10y ago
In this example all they would hypothetically need is access to someone who could see the info, the friends in this case. How? Incentivize the behavior. To be fair I'm a proponent of SOLID and decentralization. Controlling things once they've left you is quite a challenge.
technofiend 10y ago
Among other things the reason I quit facebook is because of people who have no problem trading my information for their gain. I got tired of blocking requests from an aunt addicted to farmville, for instance. She's exactly who I had in mind when I said people will subvert controls I put in place for their own benefit. She'd happily click a button that downloaded all my data shared to her with Facebook if it meant an extra in game reward. But do I want to block her from all my updates? Not really. However given the choice of doing that and sharing my data I quite facebook. I realize not everyone is the same.