4 ms·

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party.

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party. Doesn't bode well for American democracy when Russian dictator can sneak in a candidate for president. - Trump's manager, Paul Manafort, has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Ukrainian president whose 2014 ouster triggered Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a major source of tension between Russia and the United States as well as its NATO allies. - On the campaign trail, Trump has called for a new partnership with Moscow, overhauling NATO, the allied military force seen as the chief protector of pro-Western nations near Russia - Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financ...

threeseed 10y ago
I doubt that Trump or his campaign would be actively lobbying the Russian government. There is plenty of motivation elsewhere to do so. Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. Assange benefits because a Trump government would be more amenable to immunity negotiations. And Wikileaks benefits from all the publicity.
- ting_bu_dung 10y ago
  Trump publically called on Russia to hack on Hillary http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-r...
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    I'm going to be honest here, I'm non-partisan and I agree with some of his comments here and so does this lawyer who specializes[0] in cases like this. If I had that data in my possession it would already be on wikileaks, the American people deserve to know what their leaders say when they don't think they are listening. Edit: People will down vote but not reply because they don't have a leg to stand on. It's not like Hillary is a privacy hawk[1], turnabout is fair play where I'm from. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-a-lawyer-specializing-in-security-clearance-cases-hillary-clinton-got-off-easy/2016/07/07/38b10f3c-4480-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html?utm_term=.7cdc66cf5ee5 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-a-lawyer-speciali... [1]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-w...
- protomyth 10y ago
  > Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. There is no evidence of that given her past behavior and particularly with the Russians as evidenced by past decisions http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-... per tomohawk's post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281559
- cheriot 10y ago
  It wouldn't be the worst thing a US presidential candidate has done. "Like many of Nixon’s actions, this particular transgression was born of paranoia. As the 1968 election approached, Nixon and his aides feared that Johnson would try to help the Democratic nominee—Vice President Hubert Humphrey—by staging an October surprise. When LBJ announced to the nation, just days before the balloting, that he was calling a halt in the bombing of North Vietnam to help fuel progress in ongoing peace talks, the Republicans thought their fears were realized. Anna Chennault, a Republican activist with ties to the South Vietnamese government, sent word to Saigon that it would get better terms if Humphrey lost and Nixon took office, the FBI would discover." http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scu...
tomohawk 10y ago
Not sure what Trump has to do with this thread other than as a distraction. Hillary has plenty of ties to Russia, as shown by the nuclear deal in which the Clinton Global Initiative received $145M and Bill Clinton Received $500K for a speech. As part of the deal Hillary, as Secretary of State, reversed direction and approved the sale of uranium mining companies to Russia. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-...
- protomyth 10y ago
  I would assume the "Blame Trump & the Russians" is meant to discredit and distract. Wikileaks is only good when it goes after people you don't like. I too am a little confused since, as you point out, Sec. Clinton has friendly dealings with Russia.

threeseed 10y ago

I doubt that Trump or his campaign would be actively lobbying the Russian government. There is plenty of motivation elsewhere to do so. Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. Assange benefits because a Trump government would be more amenable to immunity negotiations. And Wikileaks benefits from all the publicity.

ting_bu_dung 10y ago
Trump publically called on Russia to hack on Hillary http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-r...
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  I'm going to be honest here, I'm non-partisan and I agree with some of his comments here and so does this lawyer who specializes[0] in cases like this. If I had that data in my possession it would already be on wikileaks, the American people deserve to know what their leaders say when they don't think they are listening. Edit: People will down vote but not reply because they don't have a leg to stand on. It's not like Hillary is a privacy hawk[1], turnabout is fair play where I'm from. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-a-lawyer-specializing-in-security-clearance-cases-hillary-clinton-got-off-easy/2016/07/07/38b10f3c-4480-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html?utm_term=.7cdc66cf5ee5 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-a-lawyer-speciali... [1]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-w...
protomyth 10y ago
> Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. There is no evidence of that given her past behavior and particularly with the Russians as evidenced by past decisions http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-... per tomohawk's post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281559
cheriot 10y ago
It wouldn't be the worst thing a US presidential candidate has done. "Like many of Nixon’s actions, this particular transgression was born of paranoia. As the 1968 election approached, Nixon and his aides feared that Johnson would try to help the Democratic nominee—Vice President Hubert Humphrey—by staging an October surprise. When LBJ announced to the nation, just days before the balloting, that he was calling a halt in the bombing of North Vietnam to help fuel progress in ongoing peace talks, the Republicans thought their fears were realized. Anna Chennault, a Republican activist with ties to the South Vietnamese government, sent word to Saigon that it would get better terms if Humphrey lost and Nixon took office, the FBI would discover." http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scu...

tomohawk 10y ago

Not sure what Trump has to do with this thread other than as a distraction. Hillary has plenty of ties to Russia, as shown by the nuclear deal in which the Clinton Global Initiative received $145M and Bill Clinton Received $500K for a speech. As part of the deal Hillary, as Secretary of State, reversed direction and approved the sale of uranium mining companies to Russia. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-...

protomyth 10y ago
I would assume the "Blame Trump & the Russians" is meant to discredit and distract. Wikileaks is only good when it goes after people you don't like. I too am a little confused since, as you point out, Sec. Clinton has friendly dealings with Russia.