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This isn't about principles, its about money.

by shepardrtc 10y ago

NhanH 10y ago
How is splitting into ETC earning anyone money?
- jonathankoren 10y ago
  Short ETH.
  - NhanH 10y ago
    They could still do that without splitting into ETC. In fact, without splitting into ETC, it's even easier to stay in the sideline and yell into the sky that fundamentally, the technical aspect of ETH is shit. By splitting into ETC, they gave up a lot of arguments against ETH, leaving themselves with only the ideological argument.
    - jonathankoren 10y ago
      ETH and ETC aren't the only games in town. You can still short it wrt other currencies.
      - NhanH 10y ago
        No one disputes that. What you said is true, and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand (splitting into ETC would allow more profit when shorting ETH -- considering that shorting ETH is something you can already do).
- yarrel 10y ago
  ETC is a pump and dump scam.
  - trevelyan 10y ago
    Hilarious that this comment is downvoted. The coin has been quite literally pumped and dumped over the last week or so, and its value has fallen to around half of its ATH and around 15 percent of the value of the winning fork. However one feels about the principal of the decision to fork and the decision of the market to follow the Ethereum Foundation, downvoting factual descriptions of recent price movement on the ETC chain constitutes inherently scammy behavior.
    - drdeca 10y ago
      That people tried to profit by manipulating the price doesn't mean that the chain itself is a scam. I don't think it's correct that the only relevant component of people using it is people speculating/pumping -and-dumping . So, I would think that saying that it is a scam, is not true. Note: I do not own any of it. Nor have I owned any cryptocurrency that was available on any exchange. (I've owned testnet ether, both pre release, and recently, but that's it)
    - 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
      The ETC fork has %16 of the mining power of ETH, and the price of ETC is at this moment about %15 the price of ETH. This implies its price is following mining power, roughly. That's not a "scam" that's just a smaller alt. It's worth noting that before the fork there was no ETC "movement", there was just people who were unhappy with the fork. Everyone expected the fork to go to ETH. However, when sufficient mining power refused to fork, a movement coalesced from the people who opposed the fork. ETC is still up %300 from its stable post-fork price. The current mining power is up 2x-4x what it was post fork as well. Most of the rise of its price was preceded by increases in its mining power. This implies that people are putting money into mining it. When a fork happens you end up with a lot of people who have duplicated coins, so you would expect the "losing" fork to have some significant price dynamics. But the growth in hash rate and the sustained price implies this is not a "scam". That said I don't know what its future is- it needs a roadmap and a reason to exist to become viable long term. But at this point you can't say that won't happen. I hold neither ETC nor ETH.
  - 10y ago

This isn't about principles, its about money.

NhanH 10y ago

How is splitting into ETC earning anyone money?

jonathankoren 10y ago
Short ETH.
- NhanH 10y ago
  They could still do that without splitting into ETC. In fact, without splitting into ETC, it's even easier to stay in the sideline and yell into the sky that fundamentally, the technical aspect of ETH is shit. By splitting into ETC, they gave up a lot of arguments against ETH, leaving themselves with only the ideological argument.
  - jonathankoren 10y ago
    ETH and ETC aren't the only games in town. You can still short it wrt other currencies.
    - NhanH 10y ago
      No one disputes that. What you said is true, and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand (splitting into ETC would allow more profit when shorting ETH -- considering that shorting ETH is something you can already do).
yarrel 10y ago
ETC is a pump and dump scam.
- trevelyan 10y ago
  Hilarious that this comment is downvoted. The coin has been quite literally pumped and dumped over the last week or so, and its value has fallen to around half of its ATH and around 15 percent of the value of the winning fork. However one feels about the principal of the decision to fork and the decision of the market to follow the Ethereum Foundation, downvoting factual descriptions of recent price movement on the ETC chain constitutes inherently scammy behavior.
  - drdeca 10y ago
    That people tried to profit by manipulating the price doesn't mean that the chain itself is a scam. I don't think it's correct that the only relevant component of people using it is people speculating/pumping -and-dumping . So, I would think that saying that it is a scam, is not true. Note: I do not own any of it. Nor have I owned any cryptocurrency that was available on any exchange. (I've owned testnet ether, both pre release, and recently, but that's it)
  - 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
    The ETC fork has %16 of the mining power of ETH, and the price of ETC is at this moment about %15 the price of ETH. This implies its price is following mining power, roughly. That's not a "scam" that's just a smaller alt. It's worth noting that before the fork there was no ETC "movement", there was just people who were unhappy with the fork. Everyone expected the fork to go to ETH. However, when sufficient mining power refused to fork, a movement coalesced from the people who opposed the fork. ETC is still up %300 from its stable post-fork price. The current mining power is up 2x-4x what it was post fork as well. Most of the rise of its price was preceded by increases in its mining power. This implies that people are putting money into mining it. When a fork happens you end up with a lot of people who have duplicated coins, so you would expect the "losing" fork to have some significant price dynamics. But the growth in hash rate and the sustained price implies this is not a "scam". That said I don't know what its future is- it needs a roadmap and a reason to exist to become viable long term. But at this point you can't say that won't happen. I hold neither ETC nor ETH.
- 10y ago