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Also remember, his diet is a function of not taking carbs at all (or very little) for a short time. For someone who eats lots of carbs already, a plum/orange i

by lqdc13 10y ago

Also remember, his diet is a function of not taking carbs at all (or very little) for a short time. For someone who eats lots of carbs already, a plum/orange isn't going to cause an increase in weight. It is primarily just calories. It is of course easier to eat more calories in carbs than in protein, but overall, carbs aren't "bad". Moreover, such Atkins diets tend to work only temporarily, until atkins-diet homeostasis is achieved, unless calorie restriction is practiced as well [1,2]. [1] Many studies show that long-term weight rebounds if you forgo carbs and overall weight loss depends only on calories. One article: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.long http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.long [2] http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=200094 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=200094

bkanber 10y ago
Atkins is not a keto diet. Atkins starts keto, then reintroduces carbs. Weight loss is simple: calorie deficit. However, switching from carbs to fats and taking advantage of some of the metabolic processes your body has to offer makes the process easier for many people. Calorie deficit with less hunger and decent energy. It helps a lot.
- amasad 10y ago
  >Weight loss is simple: calorie deficit Not that simple. People touting this are usually genetically endowed with great metabolism. I've tried this many times and reach a plateau pretty quickly and have to keep decreasing calories until it's not practical anymore. On the other hand, watching the glycemic index/load does the magic for me.
  - IanCal 10y ago
    What do you mean by "great metabolism"? Metabolic rate does not vary that much: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426 And to be clear, you can't not lose weight with a calorie deficit.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      > And to be clear, you can't not lose weight with a calorie deficit That's true, but in a useless way. You can't die of cancer if you get rid of all the cancer cells in your body -- that doesn't help us treat cancer. The problem isn't whether caloric deficit works. The problem is why some people are unable to maintain caloric deficit. This appears to be complex, and includes stuff like gut flora, medication, strong cognitive biases, among others.
    - amasad 10y ago
      I guess I meant it as an umbrella term for all the things that I think matters for weight loss. Insulin resistance and the propensity to store more fat than to keep it as glycogen in the blood ready for burning.
drakonka 10y ago
Quite a few people do keto long term for overall health or maintenance after weight loss (or without weight loss in the first place). I have never used it for weight loss but those who do often talk about the rebound in weight you mention with short term diets. This is sometimes one reason they end up making this more a lifestyle change than a short term diet for them. As you get adapted keto becomes very manageable, and the higher intake of fat can make it easier to consistently consume fewer calories than they used to eating carbs.

by lqdc13 10y ago

bkanber 10y ago

Atkins is not a keto diet. Atkins starts keto, then reintroduces carbs. Weight loss is simple: calorie deficit. However, switching from carbs to fats and taking advantage of some of the metabolic processes your body has to offer makes the process easier for many people. Calorie deficit with less hunger and decent energy. It helps a lot.

amasad 10y ago
>Weight loss is simple: calorie deficit Not that simple. People touting this are usually genetically endowed with great metabolism. I've tried this many times and reach a plateau pretty quickly and have to keep decreasing calories until it's not practical anymore. On the other hand, watching the glycemic index/load does the magic for me.
- IanCal 10y ago
  What do you mean by "great metabolism"? Metabolic rate does not vary that much: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426 And to be clear, you can't not lose weight with a calorie deficit.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > And to be clear, you can't not lose weight with a calorie deficit That's true, but in a useless way. You can't die of cancer if you get rid of all the cancer cells in your body -- that doesn't help us treat cancer. The problem isn't whether caloric deficit works. The problem is why some people are unable to maintain caloric deficit. This appears to be complex, and includes stuff like gut flora, medication, strong cognitive biases, among others.
  - amasad 10y ago
    I guess I meant it as an umbrella term for all the things that I think matters for weight loss. Insulin resistance and the propensity to store more fat than to keep it as glycogen in the blood ready for burning.

drakonka 10y ago

Quite a few people do keto long term for overall health or maintenance after weight loss (or without weight loss in the first place). I have never used it for weight loss but those who do often talk about the rebound in weight you mention with short term diets. This is sometimes one reason they end up making this more a lifestyle change than a short term diet for them. As you get adapted keto becomes very manageable, and the higher intake of fat can make it easier to consistently consume fewer calories than they used to eating carbs.