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Silly silly car manufactures that leave the car systems vulnerable in almost every way because they can't think far enough ahead to actually be secure before ha

Silly silly car manufactures that leave the car systems vulnerable in almost every way because they can't think far enough ahead to actually be secure before having "cool" things like button less key fobs and button starts. Seriously... Why do so many people not care about security?

micaksica 10y ago
> Why do so many people not care about security? Security costs money.
- weinzierl 10y ago
  This, and their culture is mostly defined by mechanical engineers - at least at German automakers.
- helthanatos 10y ago
  Security really doesn't cost much. To constantly maintain the best security does cost, but this is about something that they could have avoided with the tiniest bit of thought. Their simple approach of "it's secure as long as no one knows how to break in" is annoying and whether it affects many or not, it is about the possibility of bad things happening. GTA isn't thought of as a big crime for some reason and it can cost the owner a lot. It would be nice to think my car had someone make sure that trivial snooping would not allow access to the car or that my car's head unit cannot control other parts of the car such as breaks and steering.
shandor 10y ago
> Seriously... Why do so many people not care about security? Seriously? That's because as of today, not having security in this domain hasn't bitten anyone hard enough, ever. Just think about it. At least I haven't heard that despite all these car key hacks any significant number of people would've had their cars and/or belongings stolen. Nor have I heard that any one car manufacturer's sales have significantly plummeted because their cars "can be hacled". After that, it's just pure economics. As of now, the ROI for implementing good security in cars (or anything IoT for that matter) just doesn't pay itself back. At all. Now, I'd like for the car makers to actually do something before chaos-by-hacked-cars ensues as much as anyone and people have to actually die. But it won't happen before the incentive is there. This is one place where government regulation really, really should come into play. There should already be laws for massive fines plus complete obligations to fix every security and safety related bug in all cars sold. Sound too hard on the makers? I don't think so, just look at the mechanical side of the cars: call-backs to fix those are happening all the time, because everyone understands that you can't drive a car which may hit you with an airbag at 60 mph. Or have a broken airbag system.
wepple 10y ago
economics. the benefits of security have to outweigh the costs. theft of VW's via this type of method hasn't been significant yet, and cost of implementing stronger security would've been real.

micaksica 10y ago

> Why do so many people not care about security? Security costs money.

weinzierl 10y ago
This, and their culture is mostly defined by mechanical engineers - at least at German automakers.
helthanatos 10y ago
Security really doesn't cost much. To constantly maintain the best security does cost, but this is about something that they could have avoided with the tiniest bit of thought. Their simple approach of "it's secure as long as no one knows how to break in" is annoying and whether it affects many or not, it is about the possibility of bad things happening. GTA isn't thought of as a big crime for some reason and it can cost the owner a lot. It would be nice to think my car had someone make sure that trivial snooping would not allow access to the car or that my car's head unit cannot control other parts of the car such as breaks and steering.

shandor 10y ago

> Seriously... Why do so many people not care about security? Seriously? That's because as of today, not having security in this domain hasn't bitten anyone hard enough, ever. Just think about it. At least I haven't heard that despite all these car key hacks any significant number of people would've had their cars and/or belongings stolen. Nor have I heard that any one car manufacturer's sales have significantly plummeted because their cars "can be hacled". After that, it's just pure economics. As of now, the ROI for implementing good security in cars (or anything IoT for that matter) just doesn't pay itself back. At all. Now, I'd like for the car makers to actually do something before chaos-by-hacked-cars ensues as much as anyone and people have to actually die. But it won't happen before the incentive is there. This is one place where government regulation really, really should come into play. There should already be laws for massive fines plus complete obligations to fix every security and safety related bug in all cars sold. Sound too hard on the makers? I don't think so, just look at the mechanical side of the cars: call-backs to fix those are happening all the time, because everyone understands that you can't drive a car which may hit you with an airbag at 60 mph. Or have a broken airbag system.

wepple 10y ago

economics. the benefits of security have to outweigh the costs. theft of VW's via this type of method hasn't been significant yet, and cost of implementing stronger security would've been real.