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I don't see what's condescending in it? I see it more condescending to assume everyone who doesn't exercise just likes "feeling like shit". I think that's a ver

I don't see what's condescending in it? I see it more condescending to assume everyone who doesn't exercise just likes "feeling like shit". I think that's a very unhelpful way to discuss things. I put it in quotes because it's not precise. I don't know what it means for you, which particular things you classify as "feeling like shit due to not exercising enough".

rjbwork 10y ago
It may be condescending, but I think it's correct. I'm a pretty overweight guy who has dropped over 35 pounds in the last year. I pretty quickly noticed an increase in energy and mood. I've gained some back recently due to injury and not exercising, and I pretty quickly noticed a return of worse mood and energy levels. Maybe it's just true for most people, but not everyone?
- projektir 10y ago
  It would seem more likely to me that you are feeling better/worse because you lost/gained weight, not because of exercise. Weight gain is pretty well studied and is connected to a lot of bad things, and, from everything I've seen, has a much bigger effect than lack of exercise on the average person. I've never been overweight and exercise is not really related to weight control for me. Most people don't exercise in the first place, I don't know if we can say how much it helps most people vs us selecting for people it helps.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    Denying that exercise is helpful to most people goes against scientific results in mainstream medicine in so many ways.
    - projektir 10y ago
      We're not disputing the claim that it's helpful, we're disputing the claim that those who do not exercise necessarily "feel like shit" and would cease to "feel like shit" and/or would feel significantly better if they did exercise, when controlling for everything else. Please don't put words in my mouth.
      - Hydraulix989 10y ago
        "[Upon ceasing to exercise,] I pretty quickly noticed a return of worse mood and energy levels. Maybe it's just true for most people, but not everyone?" "Most people don't exercise in the first place, I don't know if we can say how much it helps most people vs us selecting for people it helps." You don't see how my interpretation of this (your) argument was a reasonable one?

rjbwork 10y ago

It may be condescending, but I think it's correct. I'm a pretty overweight guy who has dropped over 35 pounds in the last year. I pretty quickly noticed an increase in energy and mood. I've gained some back recently due to injury and not exercising, and I pretty quickly noticed a return of worse mood and energy levels. Maybe it's just true for most people, but not everyone?

projektir 10y ago
It would seem more likely to me that you are feeling better/worse because you lost/gained weight, not because of exercise. Weight gain is pretty well studied and is connected to a lot of bad things, and, from everything I've seen, has a much bigger effect than lack of exercise on the average person. I've never been overweight and exercise is not really related to weight control for me. Most people don't exercise in the first place, I don't know if we can say how much it helps most people vs us selecting for people it helps.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  Denying that exercise is helpful to most people goes against scientific results in mainstream medicine in so many ways.
  - projektir 10y ago
    We're not disputing the claim that it's helpful, we're disputing the claim that those who do not exercise necessarily "feel like shit" and would cease to "feel like shit" and/or would feel significantly better if they did exercise, when controlling for everything else. Please don't put words in my mouth.
    - Hydraulix989 10y ago
      "[Upon ceasing to exercise,] I pretty quickly noticed a return of worse mood and energy levels. Maybe it's just true for most people, but not everyone?" "Most people don't exercise in the first place, I don't know if we can say how much it helps most people vs us selecting for people it helps." You don't see how my interpretation of this (your) argument was a reasonable one?