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Yeah, I have family that went to Iraq and they seem to be like "If we were that trigger-happy we'd be in jail. If we can operate in a war zone with tighter rule

by jauer 10y ago

Yeah, I have family that went to Iraq and they seem to be like "If we were that trigger-happy we'd be in jail. If we can operate in a war zone with tighter rules of engagement and risk of car bombs what's their problem?" I think it's training and discipline. Training: Seems like Military's primary job is training and police see it as an annoyance. Discipline: military people go to jail for breaking RoE. Police CYA and get away with it. Things are pretty wack when the infantry is better at not shooting innocent people in a war zone than police in a relatively safe country.

newjersey 10y ago
> Discipline: military people go to jail for breaking RoE. Police CYA and get away with it. I absolutely agree. This is the gist of it. There is really nothing more and nothing less. Better training will always help but is useless without enforcement with "teeth". See http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2015/04/video_shows_jersey_city_cop_de.html http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2015/04/video_show... I resent the automatic position the union takes in any case. > Carmine Disbrow, president of the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association, is defending the cops. They seem too eager to try to prove that they are worth the money they take out from the salary. Edit: Here's another: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_police_officer_michael_spolizino_not_g.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_polic... > During the trial, Garrigan noted that Clifford was crossing against the green, implying that Clifford bore some of the responsibility. He also noted that speeding on Kennedy Boulevard is common. Can I say that to get out of a speeding ticket? No? Why not? Also http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/01/trial_date_nearing_for_jersey_city_cop_charged_wit.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/01/trial_date_nearin... > Police said there was no indication that Spolizino was under the influence of alcohol or any other substance, so a sobriety test was not administered.

by jauer 10y ago

newjersey 10y ago

> Discipline: military people go to jail for breaking RoE. Police CYA and get away with it. I absolutely agree. This is the gist of it. There is really nothing more and nothing less. Better training will always help but is useless without enforcement with "teeth". See http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2015/04/video_shows_jersey_city_cop_de.html http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2015/04/video_show... I resent the automatic position the union takes in any case. > Carmine Disbrow, president of the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association, is defending the cops. They seem too eager to try to prove that they are worth the money they take out from the salary. Edit: Here's another: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_police_officer_michael_spolizino_not_g.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_polic... > During the trial, Garrigan noted that Clifford was crossing against the green, implying that Clifford bore some of the responsibility. He also noted that speeding on Kennedy Boulevard is common. Can I say that to get out of a speeding ticket? No? Why not? Also http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/01/trial_date_nearing_for_jersey_city_cop_charged_wit.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/01/trial_date_nearin... > Police said there was no indication that Spolizino was under the influence of alcohol or any other substance, so a sobriety test was not administered.