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a) This is not true. There are mature, stable and unlike linux attempts, actually secure "containers". See Jails and Zones. b) See a. c) This is a docker issu

by X86BSD 10y ago

a) This is not true. There are mature, stable and unlike linux attempts, actually secure "containers". See Jails and Zones. b) See a. c) This is a docker issue, other platforms do not suffer these UX flaws. d) See a. e) See ZFS on FreeBSD and Illumos. You can of course continue to use ill designed software, such as docker, and wait for someone to "make it right" or you can use alternatives that are designed well and work now. I know which I would choose. Also, you might check out Tredly. At tredly.com.

xorcist 10y ago
> This is not true. There are mature, stable and unlike linux attempts The comment above was about Docker specifically. I challenge you to run Docker on anything else than Linux (in production, that is). > You can of course continue to use ill designed software, such as docker Yeah, you don't use Docker because it's well designed (or even reliable). You use it because it is the strongest industry wide attempt at a standard there has been for the past ten years. There is a semi-standardized image format and api. When the time comes to move all software to The Cloud, and some believe that to be inevitable (which you may not agree with), odds are that Docker is one of the accepted formats your provider understands. Jails or zones has nothing to do with this. They are an implementation detail. I find it likely that the cloud will still run on Linux ten years from now.
- pgaddict 10y ago
  The comment above, which you're referring to, starts with this: > Source is a basic understanding of containers and a basic understanding of databases. > > a) Docker and other container systems are still very young. ... So it's seems to be meant to be about container systems in general, although it then talks about Docker as if it was a representative example (which it isn't). FWIW I see nothing wrong with using containers (even Docker) for databases. Of course, it depends on what you expect from that - it may for example make automated deployment much easier, etc.
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    Discussing the modern implementations of containers, like Docker, rkt, and LXC. Things like jails have been time-tested and most of the complaints in the post aren't applicable to them. "Container" has taken on new meaning to mean such new-fangled container frameworks. IMO calling something like a jail a container is now obtuse and incorrect. My post was primarily referring to Docker, as you can tell from the grandparent that says "Docker and database do not mix", and then the rest of the post body that speaks to Docker-specific issues.

by X86BSD 10y ago

xorcist 10y ago

> This is not true. There are mature, stable and unlike linux attempts The comment above was about Docker specifically. I challenge you to run Docker on anything else than Linux (in production, that is). > You can of course continue to use ill designed software, such as docker Yeah, you don't use Docker because it's well designed (or even reliable). You use it because it is the strongest industry wide attempt at a standard there has been for the past ten years. There is a semi-standardized image format and api. When the time comes to move all software to The Cloud, and some believe that to be inevitable (which you may not agree with), odds are that Docker is one of the accepted formats your provider understands. Jails or zones has nothing to do with this. They are an implementation detail. I find it likely that the cloud will still run on Linux ten years from now.

pgaddict 10y ago
The comment above, which you're referring to, starts with this: > Source is a basic understanding of containers and a basic understanding of databases. > > a) Docker and other container systems are still very young. ... So it's seems to be meant to be about container systems in general, although it then talks about Docker as if it was a representative example (which it isn't). FWIW I see nothing wrong with using containers (even Docker) for databases. Of course, it depends on what you expect from that - it may for example make automated deployment much easier, etc.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  Discussing the modern implementations of containers, like Docker, rkt, and LXC. Things like jails have been time-tested and most of the complaints in the post aren't applicable to them. "Container" has taken on new meaning to mean such new-fangled container frameworks. IMO calling something like a jail a container is now obtuse and incorrect. My post was primarily referring to Docker, as you can tell from the grandparent that says "Docker and database do not mix", and then the rest of the post body that speaks to Docker-specific issues.