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Consider the problems that both Lambda and Containers/PaaS solve for you: ignoring infrastructure. It's there, sure, but I don't care much about it. Now take t

by mabbo 10y ago

Consider the problems that both Lambda and Containers/PaaS solve for you: ignoring infrastructure. It's there, sure, but I don't care much about it. Now take that idea to the absolute extreme. I write code, I push it into the cloudy-cloud machine, and it's serving clients immediately.

collyw 10y ago
As someone that knows how to set up a server, I found Heroku a lot more difficult to get a Django app running than on a "normal" server. And a lot more of a PITA to debug.
- aptwebapps 10y ago
  What about the second time you ran a Django app on Heroku? But Heroku is not even in `mabbo's first course (maybe the appetizer?) so that's slightly a straw man.
  - StavrosK 10y ago
    I don't know how valid that argument is, because the second time I set up a server was just tweaking two Ansible variable files and running the "provision" command.
    - aptwebapps 10y ago
      Sure, but what I was getting at was parent was just having learn how to use Heroku. And while it's true that automation is something you can do yourself, what about keeping the server up-to-date and patched and so forth? Also, repeating myself here, Lambda et. al. are a step further than Heroku.
      - StavrosK 10y ago
        There are tradeoffs. You don't have to keep Heroku patched, but you also can't tune it if you need something specific.
- kisna72 10y ago
  I had the same experience as a django novice until I started understanding how django works. Its actually a lot easier once you know some of the pieces eg. dj-database-url. I realized I had issues because I didn't understand how all the pieces fit together. ALso.. they have a template that you can download which essentially solves all the issues. Nowadays I always start with their template. or even if I have the app written, I will download django template from heroku, and plug in my apps to it.
- mabbo 10y ago
  Then Heroku aren't the solution either. But they're a step towards it. It's all attempts to get it right, wild swings in the darkness. Someone's going to smack it hard in the head and we're all going to ask why we didn't think of that before.
hedwall 10y ago
So, like Elastic Beanstalk or Heroku ?
marktangotango 10y ago
We're headed this direction with our service: https://www.lite-engine.com https://www.lite-engine.com .
kossae 10y ago
Sounds like you're looking for something closer to Otto (https://www.ottoproject.io/ https://www.ottoproject.io/)

by mabbo 10y ago

collyw 10y ago

As someone that knows how to set up a server, I found Heroku a lot more difficult to get a Django app running than on a "normal" server. And a lot more of a PITA to debug.

aptwebapps 10y ago
What about the second time you ran a Django app on Heroku? But Heroku is not even in `mabbo's first course (maybe the appetizer?) so that's slightly a straw man.
- StavrosK 10y ago
  I don't know how valid that argument is, because the second time I set up a server was just tweaking two Ansible variable files and running the "provision" command.
  - aptwebapps 10y ago
    Sure, but what I was getting at was parent was just having learn how to use Heroku. And while it's true that automation is something you can do yourself, what about keeping the server up-to-date and patched and so forth? Also, repeating myself here, Lambda et. al. are a step further than Heroku.
    - StavrosK 10y ago
      There are tradeoffs. You don't have to keep Heroku patched, but you also can't tune it if you need something specific.
kisna72 10y ago
I had the same experience as a django novice until I started understanding how django works. Its actually a lot easier once you know some of the pieces eg. dj-database-url. I realized I had issues because I didn't understand how all the pieces fit together. ALso.. they have a template that you can download which essentially solves all the issues. Nowadays I always start with their template. or even if I have the app written, I will download django template from heroku, and plug in my apps to it.
mabbo 10y ago
Then Heroku aren't the solution either. But they're a step towards it. It's all attempts to get it right, wild swings in the darkness. Someone's going to smack it hard in the head and we're all going to ask why we didn't think of that before.

hedwall 10y ago

So, like Elastic Beanstalk or Heroku ?

marktangotango 10y ago

We're headed this direction with our service: https://www.lite-engine.com https://www.lite-engine.com .

kossae 10y ago

Sounds like you're looking for something closer to Otto (https://www.ottoproject.io/ https://www.ottoproject.io/)