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People feel bad about being on welfare because they want to work. They want to be productive. They want to have a purpose.

by sverige 10y ago

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
beep beep I. am. a. person. I want... proooductive. I want... puurpose. I will. Take the orders. From a capital-supplier. To proooduce economic vallll-ue. I. am. Totally. Not. a robot. beep beep /s Seriously, though? People want to be exploited because they need a wage-paying employer to give them purpose? Then where are all the people who don't work for someone else getting this much-vaunted "purpose", eh? Whatever happened to all that individualism stuff, about people being ends rather than means?
- sverige 10y ago
  Work is exploitive only when you're not compensated adequately for it, or if you cannot leave that job voluntarily. And I assume that by "people who don't work for someone else," you are referring to people who still work rather than, say, landowners who collect rents whose main work is to go to the bank to make a deposit. People can be both ends and means and be quite content. Personally, I think there is too much emphasis on people being ends unto themselves in the current culture. Madonna is a great example of this. She ceased to be entertaining more than 30 years ago, yet I still come across news snippets about her. Why?
  - Drakim 10y ago
    > People can be both ends and means and be quite content. Personally, I think there is too much emphasis on people being ends unto themselves in the current culture. That's because society is really nothing but a lot of people working together in an alliance. If we didn't make people themselves the end they would have no reason to participate in society.
- Drakim 10y ago
  Does humans have any value outside of what they can offer to corporations? Would there even be any point to keeping humans around?
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    It works the other way around: do corporations have any value outside what they can offer to humans? Is there any point to keeping corporations around?
    - Drakim 10y ago
      I guess I should have added a sarcasm tag ;)

People feel bad about being on welfare because they want to work. They want to be productive. They want to have a purpose.

by sverige 10y ago

People feel bad about being on welfare because they want to work. They want to be productive. They want to have a purpose.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

beep beep I. am. a. person. I want... proooductive. I want... puurpose. I will. Take the orders. From a capital-supplier. To proooduce economic vallll-ue. I. am. Totally. Not. a robot. beep beep /s Seriously, though? People want to be exploited because they need a wage-paying employer to give them purpose? Then where are all the people who don't work for someone else getting this much-vaunted "purpose", eh? Whatever happened to all that individualism stuff, about people being ends rather than means?

sverige 10y ago
Work is exploitive only when you're not compensated adequately for it, or if you cannot leave that job voluntarily. And I assume that by "people who don't work for someone else," you are referring to people who still work rather than, say, landowners who collect rents whose main work is to go to the bank to make a deposit. People can be both ends and means and be quite content. Personally, I think there is too much emphasis on people being ends unto themselves in the current culture. Madonna is a great example of this. She ceased to be entertaining more than 30 years ago, yet I still come across news snippets about her. Why?
- Drakim 10y ago
  > People can be both ends and means and be quite content. Personally, I think there is too much emphasis on people being ends unto themselves in the current culture. That's because society is really nothing but a lot of people working together in an alliance. If we didn't make people themselves the end they would have no reason to participate in society.
Drakim 10y ago
Does humans have any value outside of what they can offer to corporations? Would there even be any point to keeping humans around?
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  It works the other way around: do corporations have any value outside what they can offer to humans? Is there any point to keeping corporations around?
  - Drakim 10y ago
    I guess I should have added a sarcasm tag ;)