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In case the last question was serious (i honestly don't know): You wouldn't want that except for daily work (except maybe for reading longer texts), at least no

by karyon 10y ago

In case the last question was serious (i honestly don't know): You wouldn't want that except for daily work (except maybe for reading longer texts), at least not with current e-ink technology. Even with proper colors, adding several 100ms of latency to everything you do at the computer slows you down while typing, makes scrolling ugly etc. Not to think of videos or games...

TeMPOraL 10y ago
It is serious. I'd like that for my text editor. And for most of my Internet browsing (which consists of reading text). It doesn't even need to be full-colour, I'd live with grayscale for now. Refresh rates are better nowadays, especially if you refresh only parts of the screen - which would be the case for text editing. Sure it won't be as fluid as 1080p @ 120Hz, but I'd like it anyway.
- y04nn 10y ago
  On OSX, in the accessibility settings you can make your display greyscale, change the contrast and invert colors.
david-given 10y ago
You can get refresh on a Kindle screen down to under 100ms if you want plain black and white. You only get the ludicrous refresh times if you want greyscale --- I believe they do some kind of dithering over time to achieve that. Back in the old days I had a Hercules monitor with slow phosphor. I've tried to find some figures on the response rate, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar speed to the eink screen. It was really comfortable on the eyes and I slightly miss it (of course, it was the size of a postcard compared to a modern monitor). So I think an eink monitor could be quite usable for certain purposes. The thing I'd be concerned about is scrolling. We've got very used to monitors which will scroll smoothly. I've seen monitors which just turned into hash when scrolling; there's a reason why vi and emacs have modes for page-at-a-time scrolling.
- david-given 10y ago
  Update: here's a 32" epaper monitor! https://www.visionect.com/development_kits https://www.visionect.com/development_kits Greyscale: $3600. Colour: $4700. There's a 13" model at a mere $999, but who wants that? Slightly more realistically, there's the Dasung Paperlike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9DbdaPQyLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9DbdaPQyLY
  - elevensies 10y ago
    Interesting thanks. 13.3" is just under the size of US Letter or A4 paper.
- LeifCarrotson 10y ago
  Paging is honestly easier for me than smooth scrolling when reading text. When smooth scrolling, you lose a lot of time following the animation and waiting for motion to stop. For some use cases, this would be ideal. For others, not so much. Can you speedily grayscale into black-and-white? That is, type a letter, putting black/gray into a previously white space (or vice versa, if using a dark color scheme), clearing a single-pixel-wide cursor and installing a new one to the right of the added letter. I don't need the letter to be fully black instantly, I just need to see that I have typed something.

by karyon 10y ago

TeMPOraL 10y ago

It is serious. I'd like that for my text editor. And for most of my Internet browsing (which consists of reading text). It doesn't even need to be full-colour, I'd live with grayscale for now. Refresh rates are better nowadays, especially if you refresh only parts of the screen - which would be the case for text editing. Sure it won't be as fluid as 1080p @ 120Hz, but I'd like it anyway.

y04nn 10y ago
On OSX, in the accessibility settings you can make your display greyscale, change the contrast and invert colors.

david-given 10y ago

You can get refresh on a Kindle screen down to under 100ms if you want plain black and white. You only get the ludicrous refresh times if you want greyscale --- I believe they do some kind of dithering over time to achieve that. Back in the old days I had a Hercules monitor with slow phosphor. I've tried to find some figures on the response rate, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar speed to the eink screen. It was really comfortable on the eyes and I slightly miss it (of course, it was the size of a postcard compared to a modern monitor). So I think an eink monitor could be quite usable for certain purposes. The thing I'd be concerned about is scrolling. We've got very used to monitors which will scroll smoothly. I've seen monitors which just turned into hash when scrolling; there's a reason why vi and emacs have modes for page-at-a-time scrolling.

david-given 10y ago
Update: here's a 32" epaper monitor! https://www.visionect.com/development_kits https://www.visionect.com/development_kits Greyscale: $3600. Colour: $4700. There's a 13" model at a mere $999, but who wants that? Slightly more realistically, there's the Dasung Paperlike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9DbdaPQyLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9DbdaPQyLY
- elevensies 10y ago
  Interesting thanks. 13.3" is just under the size of US Letter or A4 paper.
LeifCarrotson 10y ago
Paging is honestly easier for me than smooth scrolling when reading text. When smooth scrolling, you lose a lot of time following the animation and waiting for motion to stop. For some use cases, this would be ideal. For others, not so much. Can you speedily grayscale into black-and-white? That is, type a letter, putting black/gray into a previously white space (or vice versa, if using a dark color scheme), clearing a single-pixel-wide cursor and installing a new one to the right of the added letter. I don't need the letter to be fully black instantly, I just need to see that I have typed something.