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There really is so much beauty (and yes, meaning) out there to experience, comprehend, and enjoy. And there are so many kind, brilliant, fascinating people (an

There really is so much beauty (and yes, meaning) out there to experience, comprehend, and enjoy. And there are so many kind, brilliant, fascinating people (and other living entities) to experience and share notes on it all with. Despite all the inevitable hassle and suffering and messiness. So yes, I'd say it's worth it. You don't have to try to stretch it out indefinitely, time-wise, if that's not your thing. I think the key to our journey through all of "this", whatever it is, is to treat it as if it is, in fact, infinite (or rather timeless), even though our conscious experience of it happens to be stuck on a one-way track which makes it seem (to our primitive minds) like it's finite.

ZeroFries 10y ago
But why do you need to experience that beauty through one particular consciousness track, experienced through one particular mind (even this statement is incorrect, because if you define a person as a particular configuration of matter, then you are a new mind each time-interval)? Make way for new configurations, for more brilliant, fascinating minds.
- Capt-RogerOver 10y ago
  If you are speaking in terms of spiritual experiences, you can of course be having any kind of those and nothing can really be argued about it, because they are subjective. If, however, you are making an objective claim about "past lives" and reincarnation - there is no solid evidence for it. 99% of "past life memories" examples are in the form of "I had a family and we had a house" (omg, that sounds like our dead relative, you must be him reincarnated), or in a form of an obviously imagined past life of a historic figure, with details which have been read in history books by the individual claiming to experience the said past life. And interestingly they always seem to read about the historic figure first (giving their subconscious mind the change to soak up that knowledge (in this life though)), and "experiencing a past life" only after. So to answer your question - because you only get one particular mind, and that's it. This is what science shows us. Whether you "feel like" you are "one with all other minds" is just a subjective experience. It's not physical reality.
  - ZeroFries 10y ago
    I'm not making a claim about reincarnation or past lives. I'm saying something along the lines of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism. And no, science has not shown that you get one particular mind. It could, at best, show that you experience one mind at a time. But what is experiencing the mind?
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  It's a physics thing - our current manifestations are biochemical, so our perceptual experiences are constrained by the laws of thermodynamics that hold sway at that scale. Of course, sooner or later they'll figure out a way to upload it all into some kind of a computational environment that's entirely different from anything that can be conceived based on the laws of physics as we understand them now; that exists entirely independent of the notions of "time" and "space" as we currently perceive them. But them I'm not sure we'd still be "us", anymore, by that point.
Capt-RogerOver 10y ago
"timeless" is a very good word for describing all phenomena that could be connected to the experience of a "soul". There is no evidence, nor really even clues to the soul being infinite, continuously going on to eternity. However, if one studies the experience itself, it would be very accurate to say that the soul is timeless. It is simply that there is no information about time in the feeling of a soul. It's not connected to any time-based experience. It's like there is an object in the mind's processor that described the "soul". And in that object there is no field with the type "Datetime". It's not needed. The object can very well function without it. It is also very compatible (or rather accessible from) with any other experience, whether it has a Datetime field or not. One can think about the past, the present, the future, the Abstract - and one can feel the "soul" in any of them. Since the experiences connected to the soul are really the only ones that seem to "matter", (being in this regard different from any practical life problems or circumstances), it behooves a lot to understand this timeless nature of it.

ZeroFries 10y ago

But why do you need to experience that beauty through one particular consciousness track, experienced through one particular mind (even this statement is incorrect, because if you define a person as a particular configuration of matter, then you are a new mind each time-interval)? Make way for new configurations, for more brilliant, fascinating minds.

Capt-RogerOver 10y ago
If you are speaking in terms of spiritual experiences, you can of course be having any kind of those and nothing can really be argued about it, because they are subjective. If, however, you are making an objective claim about "past lives" and reincarnation - there is no solid evidence for it. 99% of "past life memories" examples are in the form of "I had a family and we had a house" (omg, that sounds like our dead relative, you must be him reincarnated), or in a form of an obviously imagined past life of a historic figure, with details which have been read in history books by the individual claiming to experience the said past life. And interestingly they always seem to read about the historic figure first (giving their subconscious mind the change to soak up that knowledge (in this life though)), and "experiencing a past life" only after. So to answer your question - because you only get one particular mind, and that's it. This is what science shows us. Whether you "feel like" you are "one with all other minds" is just a subjective experience. It's not physical reality.
- ZeroFries 10y ago
  I'm not making a claim about reincarnation or past lives. I'm saying something along the lines of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism. And no, science has not shown that you get one particular mind. It could, at best, show that you experience one mind at a time. But what is experiencing the mind?
kafkaesq 10y ago
It's a physics thing - our current manifestations are biochemical, so our perceptual experiences are constrained by the laws of thermodynamics that hold sway at that scale. Of course, sooner or later they'll figure out a way to upload it all into some kind of a computational environment that's entirely different from anything that can be conceived based on the laws of physics as we understand them now; that exists entirely independent of the notions of "time" and "space" as we currently perceive them. But them I'm not sure we'd still be "us", anymore, by that point.

Capt-RogerOver 10y ago

"timeless" is a very good word for describing all phenomena that could be connected to the experience of a "soul". There is no evidence, nor really even clues to the soul being infinite, continuously going on to eternity. However, if one studies the experience itself, it would be very accurate to say that the soul is timeless. It is simply that there is no information about time in the feeling of a soul. It's not connected to any time-based experience. It's like there is an object in the mind's processor that described the "soul". And in that object there is no field with the type "Datetime". It's not needed. The object can very well function without it. It is also very compatible (or rather accessible from) with any other experience, whether it has a Datetime field or not. One can think about the past, the present, the future, the Abstract - and one can feel the "soul" in any of them. Since the experiences connected to the soul are really the only ones that seem to "matter", (being in this regard different from any practical life problems or circumstances), it behooves a lot to understand this timeless nature of it.