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The omissions from this article are kind of strange. For example, it somehow manages to ignore the many harassment campaigns against various white people (e.g.

The omissions from this article are kind of strange. For example, it somehow manages to ignore the many harassment campaigns against various white people (e.g. Justine Sacco, Pax Dickinson, Brandon Eich, Milo) who's politics don't conform (or based on a single tweet, appear not to conform) to what is acceptable. Or it brings up Leslie Jones, but then completely ignores all her racist tweets and calls for follower to harass others: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-leslie-jones-racist-twitter-history/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-le... That sure is weird. [edit: clarified my point better.]

kelukelugames 10y ago
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- WhitneyLand 10y ago
  >Twitter is discriminatory against whites. Citations please.
  - deleted 10y ago
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benten10 10y ago
Ahh breitbart. The only honest, independent, impartial, and non-sellout media remaining. Everyone else is MSM-shill. /s
- eugeneionesco 10y ago
  So you're saying that article is not impartial? Please provide proof.
- sremani 10y ago
  For what its worth, You may disagree with Milo's style but the substance of his comments on the ghost busters is real and its proven the way at the box office, where Sony will not make its money back and they have canceled a planned sequel and animation movies.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > where Sony will not make its money back They've already made their money back.
    - sremani 10y ago
      Here is a link discussing this issue. http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-million-1201834911/ http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-...
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  What point are you trying to make? Are you implying that the tweets Breitbart links to don't exist, by virtue of existing on Breitbart? If there is true information that is being reported only by certain sources, it is perhaps worth thinking about why. See this article by Freddy Deboer on that topic: http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/07/20/whos-in-and-whos-out-thats-still-the-only-question/ http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/07/20/whos-in-and-whos-out-tha... "People who gleefully trashed Justine Sacco complain about pile-ons; people who say doxing is wrong get others fired from their real-life jobs. There are no principles; there’s only who you’re cool with and who you aren’t."
- tnones 10y ago
  You're strawmanning. But here's the sad part: that you have to go to Breitbart of all places to get something resembling an impartial take on internet culture these days. Take the Guardian for example. They publish a bunch of outrage bait by feminist wunderchilds like Jessica Valenti or Laurie Penny, delete any comments that show how ill-informed their writings are, and then do an honest to god "study" where they prove how bad harassment is by considering any deleted comment to be harassing and abusive. The Guardian has investigated The Guardian and concluded they are impartial in the matter. Or maybe we should consult the New York Times on what happened at Reddit with Ellen Pao, to discover how she's a hero for womankind and not at all a fraud married to a fraud with a trail of clearcut evidence dangling from their bumper like noisy cans, who didn't understand the community she was trying to steer. Then of course there's all the people who share this stuff on Twitter, in between fav'ing Neil DeGrasse Tyson for his "I fucking love science" routine, on how the right-wing is irrational and not facts-based. If you know of any honest, independent, impartial and non-sellout left-leaning media that covers these topics well, I'd love to hear it. I used to call myself progressive, but now I just consider myself left libertarian, because I don't want to be confused with _those_ people.
jljljl 10y ago
Isn't the very first person in this article (Ariel Waldman) a white woman?
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  Yes, I phrased that badly and edited to clarify what I meant.
tptacek 10y ago
This is a very disingenuous comment. You know well why the article left out Milo Yiannopoulos and Pax Dicksonson: they're both prominent racist trolls. You included Justine Sacco and Brandon Eich deliberately in order to draw an equivalence between them and Yionnopoulous. Obviously, that equivalence is false. And you conned people, me included, into reading the dumbest Breitbart article ever created. Mercy, mercy, Leslie Jones used the words "white people"! How-ever does Twitter allow her to keep posting? Who are you trying to kid? More and more, your comments on HN are becoming a parody of themselves. You have real arguments to make. I don't like most of them, but at least I can respect them. This, though, is more horseshit.
- retox 10y ago
  Milo has a black boyfriend.
  - ry_ry 10y ago
    I don't think that's how racism works
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > the dumbest Breitbart article ever created. That's a fairly extreme claim, and I'd hate to be in a position to evaluate its accuracy.
- tdkl 10y ago
  Targeted abuse goes both ways: https://twitter.com/lesdoggg/status/755218642674020352 https://twitter.com/lesdoggg/status/755218642674020352
  - adekok 10y ago
    For reference, the tweet says: > @whitebecky1776 bitch I want to tell you about your self but I'm gonna let everybody else do it I'm gonna retweet your hate!! Get her!! And the Twitter rules say: https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311 https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311 > Harassment: You may not incite or engage in the targeted abuse or harassment of others. Some of the factors that we may consider when evaluating abusive behavior include: > ... > if the reported account is inciting others to harass another account; > ... Just FYI.
MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
None of those harassment campaigns were initiated because the targets were white, they were because of specific things they had said or causes they had supported. Which doesn't mean they deserve the abuse of course, but it's not really salient to the issue of certain groups of twitter users regularly and disproportionately receiving abuse because of their race/sex/religion/etc. Leslie Jones calling out 'white people' is not racism. Black Americans expressing negative sentiments about white Americans is definitionally different from racism. I wouldn't say it's necessarily the most productive way to challenge white supremacy, but it's not of a piece with the centuries old and still strong system of dehumanizing, oppressing and killing people of a specific race in America.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Black Americans expressing negative sentiments about white Americans is definitionally different from racism. No, its not. > I wouldn't say it's necessarily tasteful on Jones' part, but it's not of a piece with the centuries old and still strong system of dehumanizing, oppressing and killing people of a specific race in America. That doesn't mean that its "definitionally different from racism", that just means its not an aspect of a particular course of racism. Ideally, we want to call out and stop racism before it manifests in a course like that, rather than only afterwards. (Which is not to say that a course with that history, and the kind of continuation that anti-black racism in the US still has, is not a more significant concern -- just that racism doesn't become racism only after it has successfully managed to justify generations of crimes against humanity.)
  - MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
    > No, its not. Yes, it is. This is the crux of what most white Americans don't get about race in America. Anti-black racism originated from a thesis of racial inferiority. The anti-white "racism" the Breitbart article cites clearly doesn't have a founding thesis that "white people are inherently inferior". It's actually just a critique of the myriad ways white 'culture' perpetuates anti-black (and anti anything but straight white male) sentiments and beliefs. Certainly, I don't think pithy tweets are the best way to advance these critiques, but they're not being written for the benefit of cerebral tech bros like us, they're being written to offer some relief and solidarity for others whose lives are materially affected by white bullshit.

kelukelugames 10y ago

WhitneyLand 10y ago
>Twitter is discriminatory against whites. Citations please.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]

benten10 10y ago

Ahh breitbart. The only honest, independent, impartial, and non-sellout media remaining. Everyone else is MSM-shill. /s

eugeneionesco 10y ago
So you're saying that article is not impartial? Please provide proof.
sremani 10y ago
For what its worth, You may disagree with Milo's style but the substance of his comments on the ghost busters is real and its proven the way at the box office, where Sony will not make its money back and they have canceled a planned sequel and animation movies.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > where Sony will not make its money back They've already made their money back.
  - sremani 10y ago
    Here is a link discussing this issue. http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-million-1201834911/ http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-...
yummyfajitas 10y ago
What point are you trying to make? Are you implying that the tweets Breitbart links to don't exist, by virtue of existing on Breitbart? If there is true information that is being reported only by certain sources, it is perhaps worth thinking about why. See this article by Freddy Deboer on that topic: http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/07/20/whos-in-and-whos-out-thats-still-the-only-question/ http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/07/20/whos-in-and-whos-out-tha... "People who gleefully trashed Justine Sacco complain about pile-ons; people who say doxing is wrong get others fired from their real-life jobs. There are no principles; there’s only who you’re cool with and who you aren’t."
tnones 10y ago
You're strawmanning. But here's the sad part: that you have to go to Breitbart of all places to get something resembling an impartial take on internet culture these days. Take the Guardian for example. They publish a bunch of outrage bait by feminist wunderchilds like Jessica Valenti or Laurie Penny, delete any comments that show how ill-informed their writings are, and then do an honest to god "study" where they prove how bad harassment is by considering any deleted comment to be harassing and abusive. The Guardian has investigated The Guardian and concluded they are impartial in the matter. Or maybe we should consult the New York Times on what happened at Reddit with Ellen Pao, to discover how she's a hero for womankind and not at all a fraud married to a fraud with a trail of clearcut evidence dangling from their bumper like noisy cans, who didn't understand the community she was trying to steer. Then of course there's all the people who share this stuff on Twitter, in between fav'ing Neil DeGrasse Tyson for his "I fucking love science" routine, on how the right-wing is irrational and not facts-based. If you know of any honest, independent, impartial and non-sellout left-leaning media that covers these topics well, I'd love to hear it. I used to call myself progressive, but now I just consider myself left libertarian, because I don't want to be confused with _those_ people.

jljljl 10y ago

Isn't the very first person in this article (Ariel Waldman) a white woman?

yummyfajitas 10y ago
Yes, I phrased that badly and edited to clarify what I meant.

tptacek 10y ago

This is a very disingenuous comment. You know well why the article left out Milo Yiannopoulos and Pax Dicksonson: they're both prominent racist trolls. You included Justine Sacco and Brandon Eich deliberately in order to draw an equivalence between them and Yionnopoulous. Obviously, that equivalence is false. And you conned people, me included, into reading the dumbest Breitbart article ever created. Mercy, mercy, Leslie Jones used the words "white people"! How-ever does Twitter allow her to keep posting? Who are you trying to kid? More and more, your comments on HN are becoming a parody of themselves. You have real arguments to make. I don't like most of them, but at least I can respect them. This, though, is more horseshit.

retox 10y ago
Milo has a black boyfriend.
- ry_ry 10y ago
  I don't think that's how racism works
dragonwriter 10y ago
> the dumbest Breitbart article ever created. That's a fairly extreme claim, and I'd hate to be in a position to evaluate its accuracy.
tdkl 10y ago
Targeted abuse goes both ways: https://twitter.com/lesdoggg/status/755218642674020352 https://twitter.com/lesdoggg/status/755218642674020352
- adekok 10y ago
  For reference, the tweet says: > @whitebecky1776 bitch I want to tell you about your self but I'm gonna let everybody else do it I'm gonna retweet your hate!! Get her!! And the Twitter rules say: https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311 https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311 > Harassment: You may not incite or engage in the targeted abuse or harassment of others. Some of the factors that we may consider when evaluating abusive behavior include: > ... > if the reported account is inciting others to harass another account; > ... Just FYI.

MaxfordAndSons 10y ago

None of those harassment campaigns were initiated because the targets were white, they were because of specific things they had said or causes they had supported. Which doesn't mean they deserve the abuse of course, but it's not really salient to the issue of certain groups of twitter users regularly and disproportionately receiving abuse because of their race/sex/religion/etc. Leslie Jones calling out 'white people' is not racism. Black Americans expressing negative sentiments about white Americans is definitionally different from racism. I wouldn't say it's necessarily the most productive way to challenge white supremacy, but it's not of a piece with the centuries old and still strong system of dehumanizing, oppressing and killing people of a specific race in America.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Black Americans expressing negative sentiments about white Americans is definitionally different from racism. No, its not. > I wouldn't say it's necessarily tasteful on Jones' part, but it's not of a piece with the centuries old and still strong system of dehumanizing, oppressing and killing people of a specific race in America. That doesn't mean that its "definitionally different from racism", that just means its not an aspect of a particular course of racism. Ideally, we want to call out and stop racism before it manifests in a course like that, rather than only afterwards. (Which is not to say that a course with that history, and the kind of continuation that anti-black racism in the US still has, is not a more significant concern -- just that racism doesn't become racism only after it has successfully managed to justify generations of crimes against humanity.)
- MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
  > No, its not. Yes, it is. This is the crux of what most white Americans don't get about race in America. Anti-black racism originated from a thesis of racial inferiority. The anti-white "racism" the Breitbart article cites clearly doesn't have a founding thesis that "white people are inherently inferior". It's actually just a critique of the myriad ways white 'culture' perpetuates anti-black (and anti anything but straight white male) sentiments and beliefs. Certainly, I don't think pithy tweets are the best way to advance these critiques, but they're not being written for the benefit of cerebral tech bros like us, they're being written to offer some relief and solidarity for others whose lives are materially affected by white bullshit.