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> The invasion of Iraq was stupid. It was likely illegal, I agree that the invasion was stupid, but it was not "likely illegal," it _was_ illegal.

by finid 10y ago

falsestprophet 10y ago
legal: 1) of, based on, or concerned with the law; 2) appointed or required by the law. [1] Military force was authorized by Public Law 107-243 AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002 [2]. [1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal [2] https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107p...
- finid 10y ago
  How beautiful! Congress voted to invade another country. That makes it legal. Next you'll get together with your wife and make the decision to invade your next door neighbor. That should be legal, right?
  - douche 10y ago
    Yes, that is exactly what that means. Legislatures decide what the laws are and what is legal. This is how this works... If you're looking for morality, you're in the wrong department.
    - finid 10y ago
      So in your view, it was illegal, but immoral, right?
metaphorm 10y ago
it still amazes me that people argue that there is even such a thing as "legal" war. war is the breakdown of social order. law is only relevant in the presence of existing social order. when a country like the U.S. chooses to initiate a war of aggression against a foreign population it is effectively just an assertion that there is no such thing as law when it comes to wielding geo-political power. in the case of the congressional vote to authorize force, that wasn't really an exercise of law. that was a public performance of assent to break the law. it was congress saying "we capitulate to your plans and will not attempt to interfere with the war".
- jhanschoo 10y ago
  You are mixing rhetoric into your argument. Nations make agreements between themselves and bodies like the UN, and violating these agreements can be called legal. War is not the breakdown of social order, often order continues within the societies of the belligerents. We may say that an act of war is legal if its declaration and conduct does not break any of the nation's agreements. When a country decides to break its agreements it is more useful to say that there is no strong rule of law in international relations, rather than that there is no law.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    I find it obscene that you can even entertain the notion of "legal war" in your mind. Is there such a thing as legal theft, legal rape, or legal murder?

> The invasion of Iraq was stupid. It was likely illegal, I agree that the invasion was stupid, but it was not "likely illegal," it _was_ illegal.

by finid 10y ago

> The invasion of Iraq was stupid. It was likely illegal, I agree that the invasion was stupid, but it was not "likely illegal," it _was_ illegal.

falsestprophet 10y ago

legal: 1) of, based on, or concerned with the law; 2) appointed or required by the law. [1] Military force was authorized by Public Law 107-243 AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002 [2]. [1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal [2] https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107p...

finid 10y ago
How beautiful! Congress voted to invade another country. That makes it legal. Next you'll get together with your wife and make the decision to invade your next door neighbor. That should be legal, right?
- douche 10y ago
  Yes, that is exactly what that means. Legislatures decide what the laws are and what is legal. This is how this works... If you're looking for morality, you're in the wrong department.
  - finid 10y ago
    So in your view, it was illegal, but immoral, right?

metaphorm 10y ago

it still amazes me that people argue that there is even such a thing as "legal" war. war is the breakdown of social order. law is only relevant in the presence of existing social order. when a country like the U.S. chooses to initiate a war of aggression against a foreign population it is effectively just an assertion that there is no such thing as law when it comes to wielding geo-political power. in the case of the congressional vote to authorize force, that wasn't really an exercise of law. that was a public performance of assent to break the law. it was congress saying "we capitulate to your plans and will not attempt to interfere with the war".

jhanschoo 10y ago
You are mixing rhetoric into your argument. Nations make agreements between themselves and bodies like the UN, and violating these agreements can be called legal. War is not the breakdown of social order, often order continues within the societies of the belligerents. We may say that an act of war is legal if its declaration and conduct does not break any of the nation's agreements. When a country decides to break its agreements it is more useful to say that there is no strong rule of law in international relations, rather than that there is no law.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  I find it obscene that you can even entertain the notion of "legal war" in your mind. Is there such a thing as legal theft, legal rape, or legal murder?