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> (sounds like somebody that's running for president this year) Someone else running for president this year has pledged that the first act of her address wou

• cmdrfred 10y ago
  She has to pay for the campaign/Clinton foundation donations somehow. Mark my words a vote for Hillary is a vote for war.[0] [0]https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/04/01/19496/defense-contractor-employees-give-most-money-hillary-clinton https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/04/01/19496/defense-con...
  • danielbln 10y ago
    So the choice is between war hawk and unpredictable megalomaniac. Sophie's choice of US politics...
    • snomad 10y ago
      Given the utter disdain for both major candidates, perhaps this year we can hope for a 3rd party candidate. Here is a nice visualization of the 4 top candidates and their stances on a wide spectrum of issues http://imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV http://imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV
      • anonymousab 10y ago
        In the eyes of a considerable many, voting for anyone else is the same as a vote for Trump. Maybe it has always been this way.
        • stronglikedan 10y ago
          In the eyes of supporters of either major party, a vote for a third party is a vote for the other major party. It may not have always been this way, but it has for as long as I've been an engaged voter (~20 years).
          • cafard 10y ago
            It depends on who the third party is. More from Republicans: Theodore Roosevelt, probably George Wallace and Ross Perot More from Democrats: Henry Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Ralph Nader Who knows: John Anderson. I think that Roosevelt, Perot, and Nader all had strong effects, I don't think that Thurmond, either Wallace, or Anderson changed the outcome.
        • ktRolster 10y ago
          When anyone says that to me, I respond with, "No, because otherwise I would vote for Hillary." That both angers and confuses them, which delights me. Alternately, to people who consider it the same as voting for Hillary, I blithely say, "No, because otherwise I would vote for Trump." Same lovely effect.
    • douche 10y ago
      The unpredictable megalomaniac is at heart an isolationist, though. I can't ever recall anyone else in my lifetime expressing the desire to step back from NATO and reduce overseas commitments.
      • sevenless 10y ago
        I don't see evidence Trump has anything at heart beyond self-aggrandizement, just that he panders even more shamelessly and offensively than other politicians.
      • paulmd 10y ago
        Trump's offer to Kasich (as confirmed by Kasich himself) was that he would be the quote 'most powerful VP in history', in charge of both domestic and foreign policy, while Trump would be in charge of 'making America great again'. So the other poster is exactly right, Trump doesn't have anything at heart beyond self-aggrandizement. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-tr... http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/20/trump_reportedly_wanted_kasich_as_vp_to_be_in_charge_of_domestic_and_foreign.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/20/trump_repo... You might reasonably expect that Pence was made a similar offer. If that's how it played out, you could probably expect a relatively vanilla foreign policy from Pence. The problem is there's no guarantee that's how it would play out; Trump is narcissistic and unstable. He might actually intend to do that until Pence does something he doesn't like, and then Trump takes the reins back.
        • whateveracct 10y ago
          If all you care about is foreign policy, maybe Pence is okay with you. The guy is a garbage person though and made me ashamed of my home state on multiple occasions.
          • paulmd 10y ago
            Pence is actually also a terrible choice and even people in Indiana don't like him. For the record I'm not a Trump fan either. I'd like to reform some stuff like patent law but Trump would burn most of it down. I'm just saying that ~in theory~ Pence is an olive branch towards the middle. I don't think Trump will follow up on it in any way, nor will he be elected given the polls.
    • brightball 10y ago
      And 3rd party. If there's ever a year where they gain traction, it's this year.
      • dragonwriter 10y ago
        > And 3rd party. If there's ever a year where they gain traction, it's this year. No, to all evidence, 1992 was a far stronger year for that; while things might change between now and November, for pretty much the entire election season then Perot alone was polling above the combined total (at the same point in the campaign) of all non-major-party candidates this year. (And, during the primary season, sometimes ahead of both of the major party frontrunners in head-to-head polls that year.) In terms of the electoral votes, there's essentially no chance of a third party result this year more successful than 1836, 1892, or 1948, and little chance of either electoral or popular vote success of a third party candidate more than 1856 or 1924.
        • ktRolster 10y ago
          1856 was arguably a success, because it set the stage for a bigger electoral victory the next election cycle. You can't really expect a party to come from nowhere and win in a single election, they have to build up momentum, structure, and supporters.
  • j03m1 10y ago
    Is it me or does 400k seems like pennies for the defense industry? Didn't she get 200k to do a talk at goldman? Does 400k really in debt these pols so much? How much media does 400k even buy?
    • cmdrfred 10y ago
      Keep in mind its at least 400k, it does not include money given to PAC's or given directly to the DNC to get her elected via the victory for Hillary fund[0], also her foundation takes many questionable donations[1]. Add to that favors, like donating to allies campaigns, speaking fees, board postions and revolving door type jobs for friends. [0] http://www.npr.org/2015/12/23/460762853/how-hillary-clinton-could-ask-a-single-donor-for-over-700-000 http://www.npr.org/2015/12/23/460762853/how-hillary-clinton-... [1] http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/another-day-another-hillaryclinton-foundation-scandal.php http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/another-day-an...
    • ktRolster 10y ago
      That kind of money gives the donor access.....that means the donor can talk to the politician, and present their side of the story (as convincingly as possible). The politician will feel that she maintains neutrality, and is making decisions for herself (not influenced by money), but since she has only heard one side of the story, she is likely to choose in that direction. Similarly, if someone says to you, "hey, I have a problem, can you help me?" then you will probably help them if it's not too much trouble. Politicians are the same, except it costs $400k to be able to tell them that. And then the politician feels good that they have helped someone.
  • tim333 10y ago
    Bit of a leap from the facts in that article (Clinton got $454k in donations from defence industry workers vs $310k to Sanders for example) to her having to go to war as a result.
• pdabbadabba 10y ago
  Well, unlike Iraq in 2003, there will be a war in Syria 12 months from now whether Hillary tries to remove Assad or not. The question is whether we continue to try to shape the outcome. In the meantime, we have this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/02/toxic-gas-in-the-darkness-assad-regime-drops-chemical-weapons-on/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/02/toxic-gas-in-the-...
  • tim333 10y ago
    Not so sure about that - the war was mostly Russia and Iran backing Assad against Turkey and the US backing the anti Assad rebels. Now Assad and Erdogan are buddies things may settle down with Assad, Putin and Erdogan all being presidents for life with questionable elections and the US not able to do a lot about it.
    • pdabbadabba 10y ago
      So your position is that if the U.S. would just butt out, ISIS and other anti-Assad rebels would just pack it up and go home? That seems unlikely.
      • tim333 10y ago
        No, that Assad and Russia would defeat them militarily.
        • pdabbadabba 10y ago
          Maybe eventually. But that would require more war, would it not? My point was not that the war in Syria will never end, but that Syria will remain in a state of civil war for some time to come whether or not Hillary goes after Assad. So the decision is not between war and peace in Syria. It is between one war and another. The alternative you describe might be shorter (or it might not be, depending on how Hillary would execute her plan to go after Assad, among numerous other factors), but it may also be worse in many other respects.
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• rm999 10y ago
  Do you have a source? I just searched and see no such pledge. All I'm finding are vague statements from her allies and advisors that they think she'll prioritize Syria.
  • finid 10y ago
    I haven't read that myself, but even in the absence citation, you have to believe it is true, given her Middle East affiliations. Hint: She and her husband are in bed with the House of Saud. Her (their) deep commitment to Israel is unquestionable. Never forget that she's a neocon and worships Henry Kissinger. It's just that she's joined at the waist to a democrat.
    • mcguire 10y ago
      "I haven't read that myself, but even in the absence citation, you have to believe it is true,..." I suspect you would be surprised how much that sentence scares me.
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  • chishaku 10y ago
    State Department policy on Syria is regime change going back to at least 2011. The method/means is still fluid. See the article and State Department testimony below, emphasis mine. NYT, from 2013: "Last summer, as the fighting in Syria raged and questions about the United States’ inaction grew, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton conferred privately with David H. Petraeus, the director of the C.I.A. The two officials were joining forces on a plan to arm the Syrian resistance. The idea was to vet the rebel groups and train fighters, who would be supplied with weapons. The plan had risks, but it also offered the potential reward of creating Syrian allies with whom the United States could work, both during the conflict and ___after President Bashar al-Assad’s eventual removal___. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Petraeus presented the proposal to the White House, according to administration officials. But with the White House worried about the risks, and with President Obama in the midst of a re-election bid, they were rebuffed." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/us/politics/in-behind-scene-blows-and-triumphs-sense-of-clinton-future.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/us/politics/in-behind-scen... From 2011, testimony by Jeffrey Feltman, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, State Department: "But we take the advent of the [Syrian National Council] very seriously, and we support the broader opposition’s efforts to focus on the critical task of expanding and consolidating its base of support within Syria by articulating a clear and common vision and ___developing a concrete and credible post-Assad transition plan.___" http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Jeffrey_Feltman_Revised.pdf http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Jeffrey_Feltman_...
• Diederich 10y ago
  > ... has pledged that the first act ... Citation please?
• allendoerfer 10y ago
  > Someone else running for president this year has pledged that the first act of her address would be removing Assad. Great plan, weren't there all these terrorists cutting of heads and stuff, making him look like an angel. Also there is this tiny problem of Russian troops fighting for Assad, which could interfere with the otherwise genius plan.
• sn41 10y ago
  I wonder why people forget Libya. There's already a proven track record of bungling by this person. No one in the Pentagon wanted the war. Look at what is left of what in 2011 was Africa's wealthiest nation.