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>Actually I would enjoy C, if the language just had a few things from Wirth side: ...Which is pretty much my point: You don't like C, because it didn't take fr

>Actually I would enjoy C, if the language just had a few things from Wirth side: ...Which is pretty much my point: You don't like C, because it didn't take from Wirth enough. Do you have some kind of program that automatically notifies you whenever your name gets mentioned on HN? Because whenever I mention you, you show up within a day...

pjmlp 10y ago
Hehe,no but it looks like a cool weekend idea.
nickpsecurity 10y ago
"Which is pretty much my point: You don't like C, because it didn't take from Wirth enough." Close but not there yet. He doesn't like C because it ignored and still ignores basic, safety features on commonly-used operations. Wirth's stuff is often cited because it did safe one's as baseline, simple syntax/semantics, and for weak hardware. Closer to C than ALGOL, PL/0, and other languages we could cite that also had more safety. Telling a C programmer Thompson and Ritchie could've done ALGOL68 on a PDP-7 less believable than saying they could've done Modula-2 or something similar. ;) Note: I also can't overemphasize enough that the first language they actually designed, feature by feature, to replace C was a modification of Wirth's Oberon-2 with features like we're talking about. Their Go work is indeed reducing number of crashes and vulnerabilities in systems versus C work while performing fast and improving. Imagine if they just started with Wirth's stuff then kept it practical and long-lasting (unlike Wirth).
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  >Note: I also can't overemphasize enough that the first language they actually designed, feature by feature, to replace C was a modification of Wirth's Oberon-2 with features like we're talking about. No... The first language they designed to replace C was Plan9 C. Then Go, which drew heavy inspiration from Limbo, apparently.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    I hadn't heard there was a different version of C for Plan 9. Got a link showing differences/advantages?
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_plan_9 http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_pla... It's mostly ANSI C, but with some variations (you can only #include once), and a lot of work put into ensuring portability without #ifdef and auto*.

pjmlp 10y ago

Hehe,no but it looks like a cool weekend idea.

nickpsecurity 10y ago

"Which is pretty much my point: You don't like C, because it didn't take from Wirth enough." Close but not there yet. He doesn't like C because it ignored and still ignores basic, safety features on commonly-used operations. Wirth's stuff is often cited because it did safe one's as baseline, simple syntax/semantics, and for weak hardware. Closer to C than ALGOL, PL/0, and other languages we could cite that also had more safety. Telling a C programmer Thompson and Ritchie could've done ALGOL68 on a PDP-7 less believable than saying they could've done Modula-2 or something similar. ;) Note: I also can't overemphasize enough that the first language they actually designed, feature by feature, to replace C was a modification of Wirth's Oberon-2 with features like we're talking about. Their Go work is indeed reducing number of crashes and vulnerabilities in systems versus C work while performing fast and improving. Imagine if they just started with Wirth's stuff then kept it practical and long-lasting (unlike Wirth).

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
>Note: I also can't overemphasize enough that the first language they actually designed, feature by feature, to replace C was a modification of Wirth's Oberon-2 with features like we're talking about. No... The first language they designed to replace C was Plan9 C. Then Go, which drew heavy inspiration from Limbo, apparently.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  I hadn't heard there was a different version of C for Plan 9. Got a link showing differences/advantages?
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_plan_9 http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_pla... It's mostly ANSI C, but with some variations (you can only #include once), and a lot of work put into ensuring portability without #ifdef and auto*.