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Not to dismiss your experience, but saying that your colitis was caused by your children not sleeping in your bed is a stretch at best. Also, if you think that

by roel_v 10y ago

Not to dismiss your experience, but saying that your colitis was caused by your children not sleeping in your bed is a stretch at best. Also, if you think that you have to stay up until 1am to get some time with your spouse alone to keep the relationship up, imagine what toll it takes (on a relationship) to have children in your bed all night every night for years on end (if you have 2 or three children one or two years apart and your children (or just one at a time) sleep with you until they're, say, 4, that's 7 years easily. And my 5 year old would sleep in our bed every night if we'd let her). Look, I have no interest in rehashing this (for (mostly US/UK, it seems) new parents) hot topic here, and yes our children sleep with us every now and then when they're sick or just scared at night; but let's not start claiming that not sleeping in the same bed as your children will give you all sorts of chronic illnesses without evidence, however basic. There are millions of people developing chronic illnesses every year, a lot of them are bound to develop it while having small children.

JshWright 10y ago
I think you misread the post... He's saying try to get their kid to sleep in their own bed throughout the night (as opposed to any number of alternatives, not just co-sleeping) led to a dramatic increase in his stress level, which may have influenced his development of an autoimmune disorder.
junto 10y ago
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't implying that my children were the direct cause of my UC, but I am convinced that it played a part in it due to poor sleep hygiene and being run down. Such diseases are complex and have potentially multiple factors that bring it in to play. Sleep deprivation is just one of the potential factors.
- roel_v 10y ago
  No I think I understood, but probably my first sentence was stating your position overly causal and less nuanced than you actually mean. Essentially your last paragraph boils down to 'it's better for ones health to co-sleep because it reduces stress which is a contributing factor to my disease and others', which is probably true in the most generic sense, but not in a sense that is actionable or can be directly reduced to co-sleeping in general. By that I mean, the same can be said of having a co-worker who chews his food very loudly throughout the day, or living next to a railroad, or any other of millions of things that can cause stress. I mean, you are saying that co-sleeping is 'better' (even for small values of it) for your health because of stress-related reasons, right? (my whole point hinges on that assumption) Well, my point was that there is no data to even suggest that, or that it's a net negative after taking everything else into consideration. It's just an anecdote, one that is easily explained by the law of large numbers, nothing to draw a normative conclusion from. Not trying to pick a fight, and I realize that you're not posting a peer reviewed article.
  - nommm-nommm 10y ago
    Not only that but he implied that the doctor's symptoms were caused by children sleeping their own bed! If any parent has unexplained symptoms it must be caused by their children sleeping alone!!
  - junto 10y ago
    Agreed. It's purely a personal and anecdotal observation.

by roel_v 10y ago

JshWright 10y ago

I think you misread the post... He's saying try to get their kid to sleep in their own bed throughout the night (as opposed to any number of alternatives, not just co-sleeping) led to a dramatic increase in his stress level, which may have influenced his development of an autoimmune disorder.

junto 10y ago

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't implying that my children were the direct cause of my UC, but I am convinced that it played a part in it due to poor sleep hygiene and being run down. Such diseases are complex and have potentially multiple factors that bring it in to play. Sleep deprivation is just one of the potential factors.

roel_v 10y ago
No I think I understood, but probably my first sentence was stating your position overly causal and less nuanced than you actually mean. Essentially your last paragraph boils down to 'it's better for ones health to co-sleep because it reduces stress which is a contributing factor to my disease and others', which is probably true in the most generic sense, but not in a sense that is actionable or can be directly reduced to co-sleeping in general. By that I mean, the same can be said of having a co-worker who chews his food very loudly throughout the day, or living next to a railroad, or any other of millions of things that can cause stress. I mean, you are saying that co-sleeping is 'better' (even for small values of it) for your health because of stress-related reasons, right? (my whole point hinges on that assumption) Well, my point was that there is no data to even suggest that, or that it's a net negative after taking everything else into consideration. It's just an anecdote, one that is easily explained by the law of large numbers, nothing to draw a normative conclusion from. Not trying to pick a fight, and I realize that you're not posting a peer reviewed article.
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  Not only that but he implied that the doctor's symptoms were caused by children sleeping their own bed! If any parent has unexplained symptoms it must be caused by their children sleeping alone!!
- junto 10y ago
  Agreed. It's purely a personal and anecdotal observation.