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> you lost an entire day for what gain? With this attitude, you are literally part of the cause of the problem. If you're not willing to stand up for your rig

by antonvs 10y ago

> you lost an entire day for what gain? With this attitude, you are literally part of the cause of the problem. If you're not willing to stand up for your rights, you have no basis for complaint when they are removed.

ascendantlogic 10y ago
Ok well how about you go out there and pick a fight with that security guard instead of typing about it on the Internet. It's real easy to say stuff like this when you weren't the one in the situation and it's not your life that's on the line.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  > not your life that's on the line. That's a bit hyperbolic. I'd wager that if most HN readers were in the same situation, they would not be in serious danger.
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    The only rational behavior when dealing with law enforcement of any sort is the same way you'd treat any other dangerous, and possibly violent wild animal - move slowly, don't be the least bit threatening. Any random cop does have the ability to ruin your day, or worse, and there's jack and squat you can do about it until after the fact, if then. That's not even hyperbole - it's rational, objective fact.
  - ascendantlogic 10y ago
    Perhaps then you haven't been paying attention to the news. I'm not some alarmist that thinks every cop is looking to kill people but given the number of high profile fatal interactions lately I think everyone is more on edge and I wouldn't blame anyone for attempting to de-escalate a situation instead of taking some militaristic "high road" to prove a point. To be sure, I realize the initial interaction was with what presumably is a security guard and not an actual LEO. However if the OP had taken a belligerent attitude it's not unreasonable to assume that law enforcement would have become involved quickly.
brianwawok 10y ago
As I posted elsewhere: I like my rights. I can't spend a full day in jail each time I want to protest against a right abuse. I have to pick and choose my battles. In fact I am not a photographer, so standing up for photography rights is pretty far down on my priority list. If this is an important cause to you, I suggest you go near a nuclear plant or military base and start taking pictures. When the police come, argue loudly.

by antonvs 10y ago

ascendantlogic 10y ago

Ok well how about you go out there and pick a fight with that security guard instead of typing about it on the Internet. It's real easy to say stuff like this when you weren't the one in the situation and it's not your life that's on the line.

pavel_lishin 10y ago
> not your life that's on the line. That's a bit hyperbolic. I'd wager that if most HN readers were in the same situation, they would not be in serious danger.
- Karunamon 10y ago
  The only rational behavior when dealing with law enforcement of any sort is the same way you'd treat any other dangerous, and possibly violent wild animal - move slowly, don't be the least bit threatening. Any random cop does have the ability to ruin your day, or worse, and there's jack and squat you can do about it until after the fact, if then. That's not even hyperbole - it's rational, objective fact.
- ascendantlogic 10y ago
  Perhaps then you haven't been paying attention to the news. I'm not some alarmist that thinks every cop is looking to kill people but given the number of high profile fatal interactions lately I think everyone is more on edge and I wouldn't blame anyone for attempting to de-escalate a situation instead of taking some militaristic "high road" to prove a point. To be sure, I realize the initial interaction was with what presumably is a security guard and not an actual LEO. However if the OP had taken a belligerent attitude it's not unreasonable to assume that law enforcement would have become involved quickly.

brianwawok 10y ago

As I posted elsewhere: I like my rights. I can't spend a full day in jail each time I want to protest against a right abuse. I have to pick and choose my battles. In fact I am not a photographer, so standing up for photography rights is pretty far down on my priority list. If this is an important cause to you, I suggest you go near a nuclear plant or military base and start taking pictures. When the police come, argue loudly.