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> Amazon is large company. A really large company. Like all large companies, there are good/great departments and bad ones. I don't buy this as an excuse. Ther

by Touche 10y ago

> Amazon is large company. A really large company. Like all large companies, there are good/great departments and bad ones. I don't buy this as an excuse. There are too many stories about Amazon culture to write them all off as a loud minority. Either Amazon has more bad departments than other companies or the bad ones are just worse. Either way I don't care, I don't want to work in a toxic environment and am not going to coin-flip that I get put into one of the good ones.

shados 10y ago
from the people I know who work there, yeah, there's a bit more bad ones than at other places for sure. Though I blame it more on their slightly looser hiring practices. A lot of people get hired there that have no business working as engineers on hard problems anywhere. Then Amazon does what most tech companies seem to have trouble doing: can them (they should not have hired them in the first place, but still). Then they write stories about it complaining about how great they were and were canned.
- Someone1234 10y ago
  > A lot of people get hired there that have no business working as engineers on hard problems anywhere. Then Amazon does what most tech companies seem to have trouble doing: can them (they should not have hired them in the first place, but still). You're suggesting Amazon struggles not because of bad management (as almost every story suggests) but because their developers aren't skilled enough? That's a really strange claim on the face of it.
  - shados 10y ago
    More people say Trump would make a great president than people say Amazon is a bad place to work. Tons of people saying something doesn't make it true. That said, they totally have bad management. Like the majority of tech companies minus a couple of shiny ones. What I'm saying is that, aside from the fact they are a pretty visible target among tech companies with shitty management, one of their main issues is that they have very lax entry requirements, so not only people bitch about the real issues, they ALSO bitch about non-issues because a large segment of their devs suck. Yes.
    - 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
      Yeah, when I quit %80 of my team had already quit because our manager was terrible. They were not bad engineers. He literally was trained to be a prison guard, and was managing programmers as if they were prisoners. Silly of you to claim amazon has lax hiring standards.
- davidpatrick 10y ago
  Ah the good ole vitimizing the victim routine. Touche.
- xiaoma 10y ago
  Don't they have bar-raisers in the interviewing process anymore?
  - 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
    They do, but when your "bar raiser" in a programming interview is a non-technical guy whose degree is in criminal justice... he aint exactly raising the bar. Still amazon gets stronger engineers working there than they deserve. I think in large part because they don't have the negative reputation that they justly deserve.

by Touche 10y ago

shados 10y ago

from the people I know who work there, yeah, there's a bit more bad ones than at other places for sure. Though I blame it more on their slightly looser hiring practices. A lot of people get hired there that have no business working as engineers on hard problems anywhere. Then Amazon does what most tech companies seem to have trouble doing: can them (they should not have hired them in the first place, but still). Then they write stories about it complaining about how great they were and were canned.

Someone1234 10y ago
> A lot of people get hired there that have no business working as engineers on hard problems anywhere. Then Amazon does what most tech companies seem to have trouble doing: can them (they should not have hired them in the first place, but still). You're suggesting Amazon struggles not because of bad management (as almost every story suggests) but because their developers aren't skilled enough? That's a really strange claim on the face of it.
- shados 10y ago
  More people say Trump would make a great president than people say Amazon is a bad place to work. Tons of people saying something doesn't make it true. That said, they totally have bad management. Like the majority of tech companies minus a couple of shiny ones. What I'm saying is that, aside from the fact they are a pretty visible target among tech companies with shitty management, one of their main issues is that they have very lax entry requirements, so not only people bitch about the real issues, they ALSO bitch about non-issues because a large segment of their devs suck. Yes.
  - 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
    Yeah, when I quit %80 of my team had already quit because our manager was terrible. They were not bad engineers. He literally was trained to be a prison guard, and was managing programmers as if they were prisoners. Silly of you to claim amazon has lax hiring standards.
davidpatrick 10y ago
Ah the good ole vitimizing the victim routine. Touche.
xiaoma 10y ago
Don't they have bar-raisers in the interviewing process anymore?
- 20yrs_no_equity 10y ago
  They do, but when your "bar raiser" in a programming interview is a non-technical guy whose degree is in criminal justice... he aint exactly raising the bar. Still amazon gets stronger engineers working there than they deserve. I think in large part because they don't have the negative reputation that they justly deserve.