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The real question...what is going to be soldered to the frame, and what will be replaceable. I bought a 2012 MBP last year because I wanted the ability to swap

The real question...what is going to be soldered to the frame, and what will be replaceable. I bought a 2012 MBP last year because I wanted the ability to swap out its guts at will. I doubt this new version will have that capability.

camillomiller 10y ago
This comment being the top one, my friends, is why our discussions here on HN are completely irrelevant in the great scheme of the consumer hardware market. This is an opinion shared only by a meager minority of the market that may have a big voice, but basically no power in determining the direction of what we'll see shipped in the future.
- drdaeman 10y ago
  Thank you Captain Obvious! ;) Developer-oriented machines (where beefy hardware, specialized requirements and ability to upgrade parts are still taken as granted, and loss of those is quite mourned) and generic consumer-grade machines are most certainly different markets. Although I'm not sure how MBPs are classified those days. (E.g. ThinkPads used to have a fame of great programmers' laptops and now they became quite less of that... the very same could easily happen to MBPs as well.)
  - danielbln 10y ago
    I do love my MPB for dev work, but to be honest, anything with a unix-like userspace and a browser will do and I'd have no qualms switching to another ultra book if Apple starts shitting on the MBP (or switches them to ARM or something crazy like that).
  - mgkimsal 10y ago
    Bit of a shame - the MBP is already pretty expensive, and it would be nice if that had more user replaceable parts (memory, drive mainly) precisely because they're "pro" machine (hence the P). Macbook and Airs - fine - consumer level - soldered, non-replaceable. But for the premium charged... making it easier for me to upgrade/swap my drive would be nice (it's not impossible, I know, but not as easy as it used to be).
  - camillomiller 10y ago
    You're welcome. Sometimes stating the obvious is still necessary to remember us we're in a comfy bubble, from which we look and judge the world (and business choices). :)
  - PeterisP 10y ago
    Developer oriented machines are a different market, however, this market has changed; the needs are different and nowadays even most developer oriented machines don't need the ability to upgrade parts. The issues about keyboards, screens and beefy hardware remain, but the actual need to replace hardware is much smaller, and most developers do buy hardware that prioritizes other things.
- Jyefet 10y ago
  Duh. Nobody has power enough to determine the direction of what we'll see shipped aside from the top guys at Apple who (if "The Macbook" is any indication (and potential blue iPhone 7)) are less focused/understanding on product devlopment (a comment Steve made about Tim Cook) and more focused on business/profit margin.
  - camillomiller 10y ago
    I love how your use of a double parenthesis just makes my point stronger :D
zootam 10y ago
nothing will be easily replaceable
- bluedino 10y ago
  Since they made 16GB standard in the 2014 15", who cares? You can't add any more anyway. The SSD is swappable (buying one can be a challenge, plus they're more expensive than other SSD's)
PeterisP 10y ago
It's not a question or a doubt - yes, everything will be soldered to the frame, nothing will be replaceable, and no new versions will have that capability.

camillomiller 10y ago

This comment being the top one, my friends, is why our discussions here on HN are completely irrelevant in the great scheme of the consumer hardware market. This is an opinion shared only by a meager minority of the market that may have a big voice, but basically no power in determining the direction of what we'll see shipped in the future.

drdaeman 10y ago
Thank you Captain Obvious! ;) Developer-oriented machines (where beefy hardware, specialized requirements and ability to upgrade parts are still taken as granted, and loss of those is quite mourned) and generic consumer-grade machines are most certainly different markets. Although I'm not sure how MBPs are classified those days. (E.g. ThinkPads used to have a fame of great programmers' laptops and now they became quite less of that... the very same could easily happen to MBPs as well.)
- danielbln 10y ago
  I do love my MPB for dev work, but to be honest, anything with a unix-like userspace and a browser will do and I'd have no qualms switching to another ultra book if Apple starts shitting on the MBP (or switches them to ARM or something crazy like that).
- mgkimsal 10y ago
  Bit of a shame - the MBP is already pretty expensive, and it would be nice if that had more user replaceable parts (memory, drive mainly) precisely because they're "pro" machine (hence the P). Macbook and Airs - fine - consumer level - soldered, non-replaceable. But for the premium charged... making it easier for me to upgrade/swap my drive would be nice (it's not impossible, I know, but not as easy as it used to be).
- camillomiller 10y ago
  You're welcome. Sometimes stating the obvious is still necessary to remember us we're in a comfy bubble, from which we look and judge the world (and business choices). :)
- PeterisP 10y ago
  Developer oriented machines are a different market, however, this market has changed; the needs are different and nowadays even most developer oriented machines don't need the ability to upgrade parts. The issues about keyboards, screens and beefy hardware remain, but the actual need to replace hardware is much smaller, and most developers do buy hardware that prioritizes other things.
Jyefet 10y ago
Duh. Nobody has power enough to determine the direction of what we'll see shipped aside from the top guys at Apple who (if "The Macbook" is any indication (and potential blue iPhone 7)) are less focused/understanding on product devlopment (a comment Steve made about Tim Cook) and more focused on business/profit margin.
- camillomiller 10y ago
  I love how your use of a double parenthesis just makes my point stronger :D

zootam 10y ago

nothing will be easily replaceable

bluedino 10y ago
Since they made 16GB standard in the 2014 15", who cares? You can't add any more anyway. The SSD is swappable (buying one can be a challenge, plus they're more expensive than other SSD's)

PeterisP 10y ago

It's not a question or a doubt - yes, everything will be soldered to the frame, nothing will be replaceable, and no new versions will have that capability.