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I'm happy to see Flash on its way out – I haven't even tried to install it the last few years. Native browser support tends to work and integrate much better on

by wvh 10y ago

I'm happy to see Flash on its way out – I haven't even tried to install it the last few years. Native browser support tends to work and integrate much better on Linux than having to depend on a third party to deliver up-to-date software. The only site I visit that still seems to require Flash is the BBC, for video fragments. There's some irony with Google blaming Flash for being spammy; I recently inspected what's probably the biggest shopping website in the EU because it slowed my computer to a crawl and noticed at least 30 to 40 outgoing connections, a lot of them to Google and its diverse ad, tracker and analytics properties.

anexprogrammer 10y ago
Also if you want to stream BBC radio in browser it still insists on using Flash to do it. My concern is with the way Google tend to do things in Chrome (Aunty Google knows best, please do as I say) I might not even be able to continue to use flash for the very few sites I'd like to, or have to. e.g. I tried to download an mp3 of a radio show from bbc.co.uk earlier today and "download blocked" with no option to override. I have all the protect me from myself settings firmly off. chrome help says it's Internet Settings. Internet settings says it's fine to download, and I've downloaded dozens of other mp3s flawlessly. mp3 actually downloads if you paste the button url in a new tab rather than click the button. I've had similar issues with other, innocent and harmless, files in the past. Well, since they brought in their cleverness and download "protections". I forsee similar issues with flash as it goes through its deprecation.
- Shank 10y ago
  If Chrome blocks a download, you can always go to chrome://downloads (or click the 'see all downloads' link) and unblock it manually there.
Silhouette 10y ago
There's some irony with Google blaming Flash for being spammy You're being a little kind; this is not so much irony as outright hypocrisy. Apple did something similar with iOS, refusing to support the plugins arguing that they were insecure and so on, and then promptly using one of their own for HTML5 media elements that broke all kinds of functionality, as well as ignoring the related Web standards whenever it suited them, and then locking up their ecosystem so no-one else could offer an alternative browser that handled these issues better. The problem with modern browser developers is that they seem to have decided their job isn't just to present the content of the Web but to try to influence and curate it on behalf of their user bases. Google gets extra demerits because it is also trying to do the same through its control of the dominant search engine. I don't think this amount of concentrated power is even remotely a healthy trend for the future of the Web.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  Even FF is doing this with bad SSL Certs. I am 100% behind the idea of saying "We don't think you should go to this page because of $x", but at the end of the day, give me a way way to override it.
  - joombaga 10y ago
    What does FF do that can't be overridden? We have a WAP management page that uses an insecure DH cipher; Chrome and Firefox both blocked us, but only about:config in FF had an override.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      I can't find a site to test on, but I believe it's sslv3 sites that FF won't let me override. I could be mis-remembering, but it's something similar to that.
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empath75 10y ago
EMC just switched their terrible java front end for one of their products to a terrible flash front end. I laughed in the sales guy's face when he tried to tell me that switching to flash was this great advancement. They weren't doing anything you couldn't do in html 5.

by wvh 10y ago

anexprogrammer 10y ago

Also if you want to stream BBC radio in browser it still insists on using Flash to do it. My concern is with the way Google tend to do things in Chrome (Aunty Google knows best, please do as I say) I might not even be able to continue to use flash for the very few sites I'd like to, or have to. e.g. I tried to download an mp3 of a radio show from bbc.co.uk earlier today and "download blocked" with no option to override. I have all the protect me from myself settings firmly off. chrome help says it's Internet Settings. Internet settings says it's fine to download, and I've downloaded dozens of other mp3s flawlessly. mp3 actually downloads if you paste the button url in a new tab rather than click the button. I've had similar issues with other, innocent and harmless, files in the past. Well, since they brought in their cleverness and download "protections". I forsee similar issues with flash as it goes through its deprecation.

Shank 10y ago
If Chrome blocks a download, you can always go to chrome://downloads (or click the 'see all downloads' link) and unblock it manually there.

Silhouette 10y ago

There's some irony with Google blaming Flash for being spammy You're being a little kind; this is not so much irony as outright hypocrisy. Apple did something similar with iOS, refusing to support the plugins arguing that they were insecure and so on, and then promptly using one of their own for HTML5 media elements that broke all kinds of functionality, as well as ignoring the related Web standards whenever it suited them, and then locking up their ecosystem so no-one else could offer an alternative browser that handled these issues better. The problem with modern browser developers is that they seem to have decided their job isn't just to present the content of the Web but to try to influence and curate it on behalf of their user bases. Google gets extra demerits because it is also trying to do the same through its control of the dominant search engine. I don't think this amount of concentrated power is even remotely a healthy trend for the future of the Web.

CaptSpify 10y ago
Even FF is doing this with bad SSL Certs. I am 100% behind the idea of saying "We don't think you should go to this page because of $x", but at the end of the day, give me a way way to override it.
- joombaga 10y ago
  What does FF do that can't be overridden? We have a WAP management page that uses an insecure DH cipher; Chrome and Firefox both blocked us, but only about:config in FF had an override.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    I can't find a site to test on, but I believe it's sslv3 sites that FF won't let me override. I could be mis-remembering, but it's something similar to that.
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empath75 10y ago

EMC just switched their terrible java front end for one of their products to a terrible flash front end. I laughed in the sales guy's face when he tried to tell me that switching to flash was this great advancement. They weren't doing anything you couldn't do in html 5.