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I would say so. Think about where consumer adoption was before it was announced that the iPad wouldn't have flash. Everyone was scrambling to get Flash ported t

I would say so. Think about where consumer adoption was before it was announced that the iPad wouldn't have flash. Everyone was scrambling to get Flash ported to their mobile platform (Android, WebOS, BB). Apple was able to draw a line in the sand and said "Web standards, or nothing", and the industry listened. There is not a major media company that isn't thinking about how to reach iPad/mobile users, and web standards are now the best way to do it.

jamesbritt 17y ago
" ... and the industry listened. " And there just happened to be this HTML5 thing that, among others goals, sought to replace proprietary video with something else. Without that, what would brightcove be streaming? Quicktime? Would they be updating their infrastructure solely to support Apple gadgets? Apple is but one player in the drive to oust Flash.
- chrisbolt 17y ago
  Who are the other players?
- othermaciej 17y ago
  "singlehandedly" is giving us way too much credit, but we did help a lot with the design of the spec for the HTML5 video element, shipped the first implementation in any browser, and gave a lot of early feedback on the spec.
  - jamesbritt 17y ago
    OK, but bottom line is, "singlehandedly" is the wrong description.
Auzy 17y ago
No.. They didn't.. For starters, Steve Jobs didn't have anything to do with the HTML5 tags, it was introduced by consumer demand. However, it seems he is trying to take credit for its introduction. Every non-Apple geek wanted the change anyway (but sure, despite the fact I don't use Apple equipment anymore, my feedback to Google "was inspired by Apple" obviously). Everyone knows that there are still no good tools to replace Flash's development tools, and sites which used flash before, are unlikely to switch only because of the iPhone or iPad (the iPad isn't out yet and the iPhone only has a tiny marketshare). Furthermore, FLASH DOES MORE THAN VIDEO! I am sick of every Pro-Apple article pretending as though video is its only purpose.
- ghshephard 17y ago
  "iPhone only has a tiny marketshare" - iPhone dominates mobile web content at north of 40%. If you have mobile content, you have no choice but to support the iPhone. When the iPad is released, content providers have no choice but to support the iPad. I'm sure Flash does more than video, but I've been running (on Windows XP/Firefox) FlashBlock for the last four months, and I've never seen anything but Video and SlideShows when I've clicked on the "F". I'm guessing there is an entire game ecology that I've never tripped across, but, well, the iPhone OS isn't particularly lacking in that area... :-)
jamesbritt 17y ago
"Everyone was scrambling to get Flash ported to their mobile platform (Android, WebOS, BB)." And now that's stopped? BTW, "scrambling" is a bogus description. My G1 has no flash support. Google didn't didn't seem terribly concerned with shipping without it, though if and when it becomes available it will get added. It's not as though all the other mobile players have been treating Flash as the Ur media format. Mostly it's been "take it or leave it."

jamesbritt 17y ago

" ... and the industry listened. " And there just happened to be this HTML5 thing that, among others goals, sought to replace proprietary video with something else. Without that, what would brightcove be streaming? Quicktime? Would they be updating their infrastructure solely to support Apple gadgets? Apple is but one player in the drive to oust Flash.

chrisbolt 17y ago
Who are the other players?
othermaciej 17y ago
"singlehandedly" is giving us way too much credit, but we did help a lot with the design of the spec for the HTML5 video element, shipped the first implementation in any browser, and gave a lot of early feedback on the spec.
- jamesbritt 17y ago
  OK, but bottom line is, "singlehandedly" is the wrong description.

Auzy 17y ago

No.. They didn't.. For starters, Steve Jobs didn't have anything to do with the HTML5 tags, it was introduced by consumer demand. However, it seems he is trying to take credit for its introduction. Every non-Apple geek wanted the change anyway (but sure, despite the fact I don't use Apple equipment anymore, my feedback to Google "was inspired by Apple" obviously). Everyone knows that there are still no good tools to replace Flash's development tools, and sites which used flash before, are unlikely to switch only because of the iPhone or iPad (the iPad isn't out yet and the iPhone only has a tiny marketshare). Furthermore, FLASH DOES MORE THAN VIDEO! I am sick of every Pro-Apple article pretending as though video is its only purpose.

ghshephard 17y ago
"iPhone only has a tiny marketshare" - iPhone dominates mobile web content at north of 40%. If you have mobile content, you have no choice but to support the iPhone. When the iPad is released, content providers have no choice but to support the iPad. I'm sure Flash does more than video, but I've been running (on Windows XP/Firefox) FlashBlock for the last four months, and I've never seen anything but Video and SlideShows when I've clicked on the "F". I'm guessing there is an entire game ecology that I've never tripped across, but, well, the iPhone OS isn't particularly lacking in that area... :-)

jamesbritt 17y ago

"Everyone was scrambling to get Flash ported to their mobile platform (Android, WebOS, BB)." And now that's stopped? BTW, "scrambling" is a bogus description. My G1 has no flash support. Google didn't didn't seem terribly concerned with shipping without it, though if and when it becomes available it will get added. It's not as though all the other mobile players have been treating Flash as the Ur media format. Mostly it's been "take it or leave it."