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I think that some day the humanity will grow too much and will get tired of overpopulation (I'd hope 30 billion would be the number, but if the humanity is arro

I think that some day the humanity will grow too much and will get tired of overpopulation (I'd hope 30 billion would be the number, but if the humanity is arrogant, they would push it up to 100 billion or more), some people will just die because the planet can't provide enough resources, some rich people will buy other peoples live and kill them (give them a ton of money only if they are willing to die soon) and the world population will agree in not growing anymore but enjoying and preserving the planet as it is, maybe staying in a billion population. After that the world will start to restore and men will have to do nothing because machines are already doing everything, and the only jobs the humanity will have are going to be science and entertainment (incluiding arts and sports)... humanity will no longer grow not because they can't, but because they don't want.

kbenson 10y ago
That assumes we are constrained to a single planet, and solar system. I'm not sure why once we have the ability to settle other planets and solar systems, why we would ever really be constrained by overpopulation prior to running up against some other constraint, such as another species.
- nilved 10y ago
  Our growing population will be constrained by resources long before we invent a way to colonize other planets.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    Well, that's either a (relatively) short-term constraint, or we are no longer advancing. When talking in the context of Dyson spheres, I think that naturally puts the time frame at multiple orders of magnitude longer than any constraint should hold us back, unless we are actually regressing rather than advancing. Put another way, when talking about tens to hundreds of thousands of years in the future, I'm not sure even a thousand years from now to get even the most rudimentary of interstellar ships registers as more than a blip.
- majewsky 10y ago
  Growth of a space civilization may not be limited by a constant, but by other asymptotes. For example, if FTL travel is really impossible, the accessible space grows with t^3 for three spatial dimensions, which is way less than the exponential growth that or economy is built on.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    There obviously will be some constraints on a planet scale, I was addressing more the idea of planet level constraints being a constraint on humanity itself, which implies that humanity is all still on that planet. That is, I think "constraints on the people living on this planet" and "constraints on humanity" won't necessarily always be the same thing, and a in a discussion such as this, a qualification is appropriate. You are right that the speed of light is very likely a constraint on human population growth based on exactly what you outlined, and while I wasn't thinking of it specifically, falls under what I meant by "some other constraint". :)

kbenson 10y ago

That assumes we are constrained to a single planet, and solar system. I'm not sure why once we have the ability to settle other planets and solar systems, why we would ever really be constrained by overpopulation prior to running up against some other constraint, such as another species.

nilved 10y ago
Our growing population will be constrained by resources long before we invent a way to colonize other planets.
- kbenson 10y ago
  Well, that's either a (relatively) short-term constraint, or we are no longer advancing. When talking in the context of Dyson spheres, I think that naturally puts the time frame at multiple orders of magnitude longer than any constraint should hold us back, unless we are actually regressing rather than advancing. Put another way, when talking about tens to hundreds of thousands of years in the future, I'm not sure even a thousand years from now to get even the most rudimentary of interstellar ships registers as more than a blip.
majewsky 10y ago
Growth of a space civilization may not be limited by a constant, but by other asymptotes. For example, if FTL travel is really impossible, the accessible space grows with t^3 for three spatial dimensions, which is way less than the exponential growth that or economy is built on.
- kbenson 10y ago
  There obviously will be some constraints on a planet scale, I was addressing more the idea of planet level constraints being a constraint on humanity itself, which implies that humanity is all still on that planet. That is, I think "constraints on the people living on this planet" and "constraints on humanity" won't necessarily always be the same thing, and a in a discussion such as this, a qualification is appropriate. You are right that the speed of light is very likely a constraint on human population growth based on exactly what you outlined, and while I wasn't thinking of it specifically, falls under what I meant by "some other constraint". :)