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Ugh, yes. The minority who didn't want the hard fork have continued to use the old chain. They constantly try to promote it and troll the 'bailout chain'. It

Ugh, yes. The minority who didn't want the hard fork have continued to use the old chain. They constantly try to promote it and troll the 'bailout chain'. It was supposed to be a vote on whether to fork or not, then leave the deprecated chain behind. The vote for the fork succeeded, and all the developers of Ethereum and 99% of the developers for apps on the chain have decided to go with the vote. Everything is being done on the main chain, ETH, Ethereum. The old deprecated chain is now called ETC, they named themselves Ethereum Classic.

vectorpush 10y ago
Why ugh? They want to support the old chain for ideological reasons, what's the problem with that? Isn't that the whole point of these blockchain systems (i.e. that a centralized authority does not control the system)? I am a pretty big blockchain critic, but schadenfreude aside, I think the eth/etc split is a decent demonstration of the fact that these systems have legitimate resistance to centralized authority, even when ethereum's influential creator is the authority. It's not stable and eth's buggy contracts are not reliable, but as far as blockchain money goes it has lived up to the ideals of the enthusiasts.
- joosters 10y ago
  The vitriol in r/ethereum is an amazing sight. There are cult-like levels of declarations of support for either chain. It's astounding, considering both chains are basically the same system, and that prior to the DAO 'theft', everyone seemed to be proponents of the 'code is law' viewpoint. How quickly things change, and how little time it takes for people to switch their beliefs and villify those who still hold the old beliefs. It's certainly fun to watch the fallout...
  - empath75 10y ago
    It's about the same as your typical video game console war, really.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      Except the vocabulary is smarter. This only highlights the point that human hate for each other is orthogonal to apparent reasons behind it.
  - Hermel 10y ago
    The ETH camp still defends the "code is law" principle. The point in which ETH and ETC proponents differ is how that principle should be prioritized relative to "the majority is always right" principle.
  - devishard 10y ago
    > It's astounding, considering both chains are basically the same system They aren't at all. Immutable smart contracts are the basis of ETC and not ETH. It's only one difference, but it's a difference as fundamental as the difference between gold and dollars. ETH is now a centralized currency. I have trouble seeing any purpose to using ETH now that it's centralized, given that existing centralized money/contract systems are much more mature. But given both ETH and ETC are too buggy for me to use, I've no skin in the game, so I'm happy to wait and see if some benefit to a centralized cryptocurrency emerges that I wasn't aware of.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      Doesn't this episode illustrate that ETC could go the way of ETH, whenever the miners decide? ETH was always ETH, it just took a while for people to realize it.
      - devishard 10y ago
        Mathematically yes, there's nothing preventing ETC from doing the same thing. But ideologically, the lines have been drawn. At least for the time being, I think it's a safe bet that people who aren't committed to decentralization will just go with ETH instead of investing in ETC and voting for future forks. Again though, I think the design of both cryptocurrencies is prohibitively error-prone, so it's kind of a moot point.
      - imron 10y ago
        No, ETC will still be ETC, new forks will just get new monikers. I'm holding out for ET-TNG.
joosters 10y ago
There was no real voting. A tiny tiny percentage of owners voted for or against the fork, mostly because there was no official voting system publicised.
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  Why couldn't they just fork to ETH (majority rule) and ETC (contracts inviolate) and let the voting mechanism be a currency exchange contract between the two? If you prefer ETC, you trade all your ETH for ETC, and vice versa. The "winner" is the currency with the higher valuation, but everyone can still use whatever fork they prefer.
  - TwoFactor 10y ago
    That's what is happening right now, but the currency exchange is happening on Poloniex, Kraken, etc, and the hashing power is following the exchange rate.

vectorpush 10y ago

Why ugh? They want to support the old chain for ideological reasons, what's the problem with that? Isn't that the whole point of these blockchain systems (i.e. that a centralized authority does not control the system)? I am a pretty big blockchain critic, but schadenfreude aside, I think the eth/etc split is a decent demonstration of the fact that these systems have legitimate resistance to centralized authority, even when ethereum's influential creator is the authority. It's not stable and eth's buggy contracts are not reliable, but as far as blockchain money goes it has lived up to the ideals of the enthusiasts.

joosters 10y ago
The vitriol in r/ethereum is an amazing sight. There are cult-like levels of declarations of support for either chain. It's astounding, considering both chains are basically the same system, and that prior to the DAO 'theft', everyone seemed to be proponents of the 'code is law' viewpoint. How quickly things change, and how little time it takes for people to switch their beliefs and villify those who still hold the old beliefs. It's certainly fun to watch the fallout...
- empath75 10y ago
  It's about the same as your typical video game console war, really.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Except the vocabulary is smarter. This only highlights the point that human hate for each other is orthogonal to apparent reasons behind it.
- Hermel 10y ago
  The ETH camp still defends the "code is law" principle. The point in which ETH and ETC proponents differ is how that principle should be prioritized relative to "the majority is always right" principle.
- devishard 10y ago
  > It's astounding, considering both chains are basically the same system They aren't at all. Immutable smart contracts are the basis of ETC and not ETH. It's only one difference, but it's a difference as fundamental as the difference between gold and dollars. ETH is now a centralized currency. I have trouble seeing any purpose to using ETH now that it's centralized, given that existing centralized money/contract systems are much more mature. But given both ETH and ETC are too buggy for me to use, I've no skin in the game, so I'm happy to wait and see if some benefit to a centralized cryptocurrency emerges that I wasn't aware of.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Doesn't this episode illustrate that ETC could go the way of ETH, whenever the miners decide? ETH was always ETH, it just took a while for people to realize it.
    - devishard 10y ago
      Mathematically yes, there's nothing preventing ETC from doing the same thing. But ideologically, the lines have been drawn. At least for the time being, I think it's a safe bet that people who aren't committed to decentralization will just go with ETH instead of investing in ETC and voting for future forks. Again though, I think the design of both cryptocurrencies is prohibitively error-prone, so it's kind of a moot point.
    - imron 10y ago
      No, ETC will still be ETC, new forks will just get new monikers. I'm holding out for ET-TNG.

joosters 10y ago

There was no real voting. A tiny tiny percentage of owners voted for or against the fork, mostly because there was no official voting system publicised.

logfromblammo 10y ago
Why couldn't they just fork to ETH (majority rule) and ETC (contracts inviolate) and let the voting mechanism be a currency exchange contract between the two? If you prefer ETC, you trade all your ETH for ETC, and vice versa. The "winner" is the currency with the higher valuation, but everyone can still use whatever fork they prefer.
- TwoFactor 10y ago
  That's what is happening right now, but the currency exchange is happening on Poloniex, Kraken, etc, and the hashing power is following the exchange rate.