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As far as I know, Bosnia was pretty secular and laid back for a long time (and is now). What's "tradition" here? How widely were it practiced? Because I totall

As far as I know, Bosnia was pretty secular and laid back for a long time (and is now). What's "tradition" here? How widely were it practiced? Because I totally see this practice of digging in the past for some more obscurantist behaviors, and calling it "tradition" as if it is a good thing.

acqq 10y ago
Define "for a long time." It was under the control of the Muslim Ottoman Empire until the late 19th century. It was under Austrian control until the First World War. Then it was a part of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia had a secular (socialist) government since the end of the WWII and until the breakup. During the breakup wars, even Osama bin Laden (or his closest co-workers) received the passport from the new Muslim government (1). al-Qaeda was active there then, and the foreign "freedom" (Muslim) fighters came there just like they recently came to Syria. The current government tries to limit the influence of these, but Bosnia still has some "Mujahideen training camps" according to the recent reports. BTW, Gaddafi was also secular compared to what followed: http://africanleadership.co.uk/blog/?p=8161 http://africanleadership.co.uk/blog/?p=8161 That's what complex is: one word like "secular" isn't enough to understand what's going on, especially over any non-trivial time period or the area involving different nations. > What's "tradition" here? Under the Muslim control, which lasted for centuries, sadly, no woman was able not to wear a headscarf in the presence of the rulers. Non-believing men weren't able to do anything lucrative or have any real governing function. Once the Muslims have lost the control, the "tradition" was able to change. But there are the real forces pressing backwards even as we speak. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_activity_of_Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_activity_of_Osama_bin...
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  Having training camps and wrapping women in opaque blankets is two distinct things. Bosnians mostly did former and not latter. > was able not to wear a headscarf in the presence of the rulers There's a lot of things even I won't do "in the presence of the rules", but luckily I don't see much of them, so I'm free to do whatever I please. Wasn't same true for them?

acqq 10y ago

Define "for a long time." It was under the control of the Muslim Ottoman Empire until the late 19th century. It was under Austrian control until the First World War. Then it was a part of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia had a secular (socialist) government since the end of the WWII and until the breakup. During the breakup wars, even Osama bin Laden (or his closest co-workers) received the passport from the new Muslim government (1). al-Qaeda was active there then, and the foreign "freedom" (Muslim) fighters came there just like they recently came to Syria. The current government tries to limit the influence of these, but Bosnia still has some "Mujahideen training camps" according to the recent reports. BTW, Gaddafi was also secular compared to what followed: http://africanleadership.co.uk/blog/?p=8161 http://africanleadership.co.uk/blog/?p=8161 That's what complex is: one word like "secular" isn't enough to understand what's going on, especially over any non-trivial time period or the area involving different nations. > What's "tradition" here? Under the Muslim control, which lasted for centuries, sadly, no woman was able not to wear a headscarf in the presence of the rulers. Non-believing men weren't able to do anything lucrative or have any real governing function. Once the Muslims have lost the control, the "tradition" was able to change. But there are the real forces pressing backwards even as we speak. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_activity_of_Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_activity_of_Osama_bin...

guard-of-terra 10y ago
Having training camps and wrapping women in opaque blankets is two distinct things. Bosnians mostly did former and not latter. > was able not to wear a headscarf in the presence of the rulers There's a lot of things even I won't do "in the presence of the rules", but luckily I don't see much of them, so I'm free to do whatever I please. Wasn't same true for them?