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Why do you feel entitled to use facebook's resources?

by blahi 10y ago

idlewords 10y ago
Because they encourage us to use them and make them available for free.
- blahi 10y ago
  It is available on the condition that you are served ads alongside content.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    No one is ever obligated to view ads. I'm not stealing from the billboard company because I keep my eyes on the road, and I'm not a bad person because I mute the television every five minutes when NBC runs ads for things I don't want during the Olympics. The browser is our user agent. Facebook can serve whatever it wants, but we're under no contractual or moral obligation to look at it.
    - jeena 10y ago
      In a not so distant future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMXKQdc5ZM&t=9m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMXKQdc5ZM&t=9m Btw. the Black Mirror TV series is awesome.
  - cmc31 10y ago
    Is that in their EULA?
    - StavrosK 10y ago
      Oh but my EULA says "By injecting ads into the articles I read, you implicitly agree to provide me with free resources with no obligation on my part".
      - effie 10y ago
        That's good, I may incorporate something like this into my User-Agent.
        fapjacks 10y ago
        Hah! I'm suddenly laughing and crying inside at the thought of massive Useragent strings with individual EULAs in them.
  - fl0wenol 10y ago
    What makes you think that? I recall reading previous articles linked from HN on this very topic that Facebook most strongly values the network size they can use in marketing sales pitches (i.e. the print circulation equivalent, the "reach"), not the ad impressions specifically.
ASalazarMX 10y ago
Because they insistingly invite you if you happen to land on a Facebook link?
millstone 10y ago
Facebook tracks you and shows you ads regardless of whether you use Facebook. http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11795248/facebook-ad-network-non-users-cookies-plug-ins http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11795248/facebook-ad-netwo...
- blahi 10y ago
  How is this pertinent to the discussion about serving and blocking ads on facebook.com?
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    He's saying that facebook feels entitled to my data, even if I'm not using their resources. Why shouldn't I, then, feel entitled to their resources without blocking ads?
ulucs 10y ago
Because they openly state: "It’s free and always will be.", not "It’s free and always will be if you view the ads we serve in your browser.". Also my country's civil law (along with any other reasonable civil laws) throws out the three links below out of our contract, as they're neither at a reasonable length nor clearness when the context is considered.

Why do you feel entitled to use facebook's resources?

by blahi 10y ago

Why do you feel entitled to use facebook's resources?

idlewords 10y ago

Because they encourage us to use them and make them available for free.

blahi 10y ago
It is available on the condition that you are served ads alongside content.
- idlewords 10y ago
  No one is ever obligated to view ads. I'm not stealing from the billboard company because I keep my eyes on the road, and I'm not a bad person because I mute the television every five minutes when NBC runs ads for things I don't want during the Olympics. The browser is our user agent. Facebook can serve whatever it wants, but we're under no contractual or moral obligation to look at it.
  - jeena 10y ago
    In a not so distant future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMXKQdc5ZM&t=9m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMXKQdc5ZM&t=9m Btw. the Black Mirror TV series is awesome.
- cmc31 10y ago
  Is that in their EULA?
  - StavrosK 10y ago
    Oh but my EULA says "By injecting ads into the articles I read, you implicitly agree to provide me with free resources with no obligation on my part".
    - effie 10y ago
      That's good, I may incorporate something like this into my User-Agent.
      - fapjacks 10y ago
        Hah! I'm suddenly laughing and crying inside at the thought of massive Useragent strings with individual EULAs in them.
- fl0wenol 10y ago
  What makes you think that? I recall reading previous articles linked from HN on this very topic that Facebook most strongly values the network size they can use in marketing sales pitches (i.e. the print circulation equivalent, the "reach"), not the ad impressions specifically.

ASalazarMX 10y ago

Because they insistingly invite you if you happen to land on a Facebook link?

millstone 10y ago

Facebook tracks you and shows you ads regardless of whether you use Facebook. http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11795248/facebook-ad-network-non-users-cookies-plug-ins http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11795248/facebook-ad-netwo...

blahi 10y ago
How is this pertinent to the discussion about serving and blocking ads on facebook.com?
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  He's saying that facebook feels entitled to my data, even if I'm not using their resources. Why shouldn't I, then, feel entitled to their resources without blocking ads?

ulucs 10y ago

Because they openly state: "It’s free and always will be.", not "It’s free and always will be if you view the ads we serve in your browser.". Also my country's civil law (along with any other reasonable civil laws) throws out the three links below out of our contract, as they're neither at a reasonable length nor clearness when the context is considered.