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Yes programmers are well compensated, but they are also in very high demand. One day at a big family union I got three phonecalls from recruiters. My whole fam
by olavgg 10y ago
Yes programmers are well compensated, but they are also in very high demand.
One day at a big family union I got three phonecalls from recruiters. My whole family rolled their eyes, while I politely said no to those recruiters with below average offers. I told them that this is usual, I get a few phonecalls from recruiters every week. None of them who work as doctors, teachers, accounting, geophysicist, even an old CEO of a $200 mill company has ever experienced something like that. They may get a recruiter calling once a year.
Most programmers don't know their real value and way too many say yes to work below average market rate. Younger ones a often preferred as they are easier to manipulate, have no idea about their value, and hardly ever says no to something. And they are brilliant and smart for bargain.
What they lack is experience, but as the technology landscape changes every second year many believe experience doesn't matter. That may be why so many companies are struggling with technical debt.
- gaius 10y agoNone of them who work as doctors, teachers, accounting, geophysicist, even an old CEO of a $200 mill company has ever experienced something like that. They may get a recruiter calling once a year. Those recruiters aren't calling for your benefit tho'. They are calling because they want to sell you like a piece of meat. That's just a sign that nearly everyone connected to the industry who isn't actually an engineer themselves is trying to exploit engineers in some way. What they lack is experience, but as the technology landscape changes every second year many believe experience doesn't matter People believe what is to their advantage to believe. Getting an experienced engineer at a knock down rate because they've been tricked into undervaluing their experience suits VCs and managers very well...
- rantanplan 10y ago> They are calling because they want to sell you like a piece of meat Compared to..... what? Calling me because of my good-natured character and my unparalleled virtues?
- qudat 10y agoMy gf is a physician and she has recruiters contacting her exactly how we get contacted and with the same vein, recruiters are calling about jobs no one wants.
- _RPM 10y agoWhy do you even empower these people by answering the phone? I never answer when they call.
- erroneousfunk 10y agoI know a lot of people don't bother to answer their phone unless it's from a number in their contacts, but not everyone is like that. I almost always answer calls from numbers I don't recognize, and it's often a call that's actually important. A coworker or friend whose number I don't have, the bank calling me about strange activity on my account, a callback about a message I left and forgot about -- who knows? It only takes a few seconds to realize it's a recruiter and say "No thanks, please don't call me again" and I certainly don't want to add their numbers to my contacts list to filter them out. I like being immediately accessible in emergencies, and a minor inconvenience is worth that to me.
- olavgg 10y agoBecause sometimes they actually have something interesting for me.
- epimetheus 10y agoMy wife is a Physical Therapist. She put her resume on Career Builder (after graduation) on a Sunday Night before bed (11pm-ish), by 7am already had two voicemails, and had more than 8 more voicemails by noon Monday. Just a data point, but it happens to other fields as well. Also, FWIW, she's making about 80k and if she commuted into Seattle, I see jobs posted there for 100-110k quite frequently, for non-managerial positions as a PT. She claims she could make more (at least hourly) as Home Health or a inpatient retirement home type of situation, but likes outpatient too much. Granted, that's about it, unless she opens her own clinic or goes into management, where as 110k in Seattle gives me some room for salary growth. She also doesn't get other compensation so my point is more about demand of PTs being pretty comparable.
- ryandrake 10y agoTo be fair, most programmers also have never experienced a recruiter literally cold calling them sight unseen with a job offer. It's usually "hey can we chat, I know of a great company..." which is so different from a job offer it's meaningless.
- lfowles 10y agoRight, I get maybe two recruiters contacting me via email per year. Even then it's occasionally asking me if I have any leads for them...