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It's why I use OSX at home for anything non-work related, I want an integrated experience that just works, I don't want to be IT guy at home. No messing around

It's why I use OSX at home for anything non-work related, I want an integrated experience that just works, I don't want to be IT guy at home. No messing around with video card drivers, no figuring out why my printer chops off pieces of the page, no constant wifi or bluetooth crapouts, support for Adobe suite or popular digital audio workstation software. At work I'm happy to use Linux, but I use it for things it's great at, such as simulating our prod environment, coding, etc, but at home I just don't want to think after a long ass day, I want to enjoy computing.

c22 10y ago
I'm not sure which linuxes you use but sans Adobe support I haven't had any of those issues for at least 7 or 8 years. In fact Debian just works with both my printer and my graphics card while Windows 10 refuses to print or display a resolution above 1024x768.
- BadassFractal 10y ago
  Been using Ubuntu for about 5-6 years now. On laptops the wifi drops all the time. Bluetooth fails to connect half of the time or gets stuck and needs a reboot. I can use my Brother printer, those drivers "work", but it fails to center the page properly out of the box, comes out all mangled. Just got a 16.04 fresh install from a vendor, software update immediately borked permanently, had to find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfMYjRjAv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfMYjRjAv8 to be able to move past it. Again, I'm expected to be IT guy or Geeksquad Man to be able to use this OS, which I'm happy to do at work, just not on my time. If you go over Ethernet, use extremely conventional hardware and only expect to use it as a machine to browse the Internet then you'll generally be just fine. It's free, I can't complain, but it doesn't make it any less of a shit show.
linuxhansl 10y ago
Printer support (as an example) worked much better with Linux (Fedora) than my MacBook. On the Mac I had know the IP address, download a driver myself, fiddle around with it. On Fedora, it said it found this printer, installed the driver, and whether I wanted to print a test page. The test page printed fine. That was a while ago, and things may have changed. But it's not the only example. With OSX I am boxed into what Apple thinks is best for me. With Linux I can do whatever I like, while most things also just work. None of the issues you mention are an issue with Linux anymore. Wifi, Bluetooth, printers, sound, video, etc, all just work, most (IMHO) more intuitively than with OSX. Only for faster 3D graphics I had to install the vendor driver from a non-free Fedora repository.
- rleigh 10y ago
  Under the hood, they are both using CUPS so should behave pretty similarly. Apple may well have crippled their version since I last looked at it in detail though (I used to be involved with the Gutenprint inkjet printer driver project).
- Too 10y ago
  > None of the issues you mention are an issue with Linux anymore. Wifi, Bluetooth, printers, sound, video, etc, all just work, If you are lucky yes... With my last 2 computers and Ubuntu, most of the devices listed above has required me to google for solutions and apply weird hacks manually. Sound has been quite reliable but graphics and wifi drivers are still a joke compared to Windows or osx. Even basic things such as plugging in an external monitor has caused the computer to totally freeze.

c22 10y ago

I'm not sure which linuxes you use but sans Adobe support I haven't had any of those issues for at least 7 or 8 years. In fact Debian just works with both my printer and my graphics card while Windows 10 refuses to print or display a resolution above 1024x768.

BadassFractal 10y ago
Been using Ubuntu for about 5-6 years now. On laptops the wifi drops all the time. Bluetooth fails to connect half of the time or gets stuck and needs a reboot. I can use my Brother printer, those drivers "work", but it fails to center the page properly out of the box, comes out all mangled. Just got a 16.04 fresh install from a vendor, software update immediately borked permanently, had to find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfMYjRjAv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfMYjRjAv8 to be able to move past it. Again, I'm expected to be IT guy or Geeksquad Man to be able to use this OS, which I'm happy to do at work, just not on my time. If you go over Ethernet, use extremely conventional hardware and only expect to use it as a machine to browse the Internet then you'll generally be just fine. It's free, I can't complain, but it doesn't make it any less of a shit show.

linuxhansl 10y ago

Printer support (as an example) worked much better with Linux (Fedora) than my MacBook. On the Mac I had know the IP address, download a driver myself, fiddle around with it. On Fedora, it said it found this printer, installed the driver, and whether I wanted to print a test page. The test page printed fine. That was a while ago, and things may have changed. But it's not the only example. With OSX I am boxed into what Apple thinks is best for me. With Linux I can do whatever I like, while most things also just work. None of the issues you mention are an issue with Linux anymore. Wifi, Bluetooth, printers, sound, video, etc, all just work, most (IMHO) more intuitively than with OSX. Only for faster 3D graphics I had to install the vendor driver from a non-free Fedora repository.

rleigh 10y ago
Under the hood, they are both using CUPS so should behave pretty similarly. Apple may well have crippled their version since I last looked at it in detail though (I used to be involved with the Gutenprint inkjet printer driver project).
Too 10y ago
> None of the issues you mention are an issue with Linux anymore. Wifi, Bluetooth, printers, sound, video, etc, all just work, If you are lucky yes... With my last 2 computers and Ubuntu, most of the devices listed above has required me to google for solutions and apply weird hacks manually. Sound has been quite reliable but graphics and wifi drivers are still a joke compared to Windows or osx. Even basic things such as plugging in an external monitor has caused the computer to totally freeze.